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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the podcast. Today you're going to hear Chris and I interview Georgie Collinson, who is one of Australia's leading anxiety therapists for women with high functioning anxiety. I came across Georgie on Instagram when a client shared one of Georgie's reels with me and I'm like, Georgie. I sent her a message. Georgie, we are speaking the same language.
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Filly
Come on our podcast, please. Part of it was because I just really wanted to connect with her. She's super gorgeous. You're going to love her. She's got a big heart. And I wanted to dig in to her. Her brain, her philosophy. Because a lot of what she talks about is so similar, to what we practice inside the ending body burnout method.
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Filly
So Georgie is also a natural path and a nutritionist and really gets that. It takes a holistic body mind approach, including healing the inner child to break free from anxiety. So we loved our chat with Georgie, Chris and I. There are a lot of times where we are just kind of like brain blown by her beautiful ness. She's real, honest, authentic, and is such a sweetie.
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Filly
And I know that you're really going to love this podcast. If you love what Chris and I talk about, this is going to be a really juicy one that looks at both the physical and metaphysical, specifically around anxiety, because that is what Georgie specialises in. All right, so let's dive in.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout show. We are so excited to have our very wonderful guest, Georgie Collinson, on the show today. Georgie, thank you so much for joining us. We're excited to have a chat and really get to know a little bit more about you, your story. We've got some good questions to ask you today.
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Chris
Let's get right into it.
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Filly
I'm excited. So I came across to you, Georgie, through one of my our clients, actually, and I'm going to read the post that she sent me a little bit later because I'm like, yes, yes, yes. So that was so many things. But when I started like stalking you on Instagram, then I'm like, yes, you're saying all the things and with such clarity as well, and you're an expert in anxiety.
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Filly
So we're really going to focus on anxiety, which is a big part of. So on our ending body burnout show, a lot of people are struggling with perfectionism, overwhelm, stressed people pleasing, and it often displays both mentally but also physically in the body. And anxiety is a huge part of that. So we're excited to dig into all things anxiety with you.
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Georgie
Oh yeah, they'll be so much overlap, especially as the anxiety I work with is high functioning anxiety. And this is just so prevalent. This is like we can't stop where we're, you know, going at 100 miles an hour. We have that perfectionism, that constant pressure that need to please. And on the outside, everyone would think we've got it all together.
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Georgie
But on the inside it's usually a different story.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about your story then, because I, I feel like from what I know and have read about you, that this is where you're at, doing all the things look like you had it all that inside. Not so happy.
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Georgie
Yeah. So, look, I mean, we could go back. I work a lot with the subconscious mind and inner child healing. So there's a lot of, like, I could go all the way back to childhood with this story, but, just, you know, cut that long story short, I was always that high achiever in high school. I was a good student.
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Georgie
I could I could sort of work that that system at school and, and memorise a lot of stuff and dump it into a test and do well, and everything was kind of like plodding along pretty well. I, I had a level of anxiety at that point in my life that it seemed was serving me. But when I turned when I was 19 years old, my parents unexpectedly split.
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Georgie
Well, it seems not so unexpected when I actually look back at everything and all the signs. But you never know this stuff when you're when it's your family and when it's your situation, because that's just normal to you. So my parents split. My dad left my mom, and it was devastating. Like, I suddenly this, you know, solid rock of my family was just I describe in my book the anxiety reset method that it was like rock turning to quicksand.
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Georgie
And so I just felt like I was sinking. And in order to cope with that, that's where my anxiety really hit a new level, because it was jumping in to try and protect me. It was like, okay, like these unexpected things can happen in life out of the blue, and I wasn't prepared for it. So now anxiety was like, we're going to prepare you for it and make sure we can look out for everything that could potentially go wrong and how much, what can we control.
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Georgie
So my anxiety set to work kind of controlling my food. And I got really into nutrition. And that's why I became a natural path. And a nutritionist came from that desire to control everything and protect myself. And, you know, there's definitely some merit to that, which we'll go into about how our nutrition can impact how we feel and our experience of life.
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Georgie
It's a really important part that I went too far and I went into orthorexia, which is where you have really intense food rules. It was the era of clean eating, which is so, so not a thing anymore, but it was like really big at that time of my life. And I got obsessed with that. And these became new ways for me.
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Georgie
To them, it's like the more perfect I could get myself, the more I thought I would be safe and I thought I would be okay. And it looked like, you know, looking a certain way, wearing certain clothes, having certain friends, doing really well in my studies and in my work. And inside there. Yeah. Not doing so well.
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Georgie
Feeling really, really, like, stressed out. I would have been teetering on that burnout. I would say I never quite gone into that zone of, okay, like I can't get out of bed for months kind of thing, but I've had my, my, you know, certainly a week of that where I'm like, oh my God, full stop. I can't keep going.
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Georgie
And that's pretty much my story. And I was like, there has to be a better way to do this in a, in a way that we aren't burning ourselves out and making ourselves sick to achieve what we need to achieve in life, to have the success that we want to create. Real safety, you know, not this sort of chasing the the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that we think we're going to get if we're perfect, if we finally make it everyone happy.
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Georgie
So that's where I started to look at deeper causes here. And my naturopathy is a huge part of that. Exploring the gut health and those links with our hormones, etc. but I had to go even deeper because I always loved helping other people with anxiety too, when I was working as a general naturopath. And then I was like, oh, hang on, there's something else going on here.
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Georgie
And I had experienced myself so much benefit from exploring my subconscious mind and and learning all the things that I didn't know, that I didn't know. So this is like, you can't guess what's in your subconscious mind. This is why I talk. Therapy can only get you so far when it's just, you know, two people having a conversation.
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Georgie
There's always going to be so much that we miss. And when we close our eyes and we got our brain into an alpha brainwave state, there's so much more information that we can access. We have these epiphany insights, and once you see them, you can't unsee them. And you can actually start to take your power back and shift that programming.
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Georgie
So the all these ideas of like, if I'm perfect, I'll be safe. I started to look at where that was really coming from and rewiring that program in myself. And then I did further study to go and be able to do that for other people, too. So that's all part of the work that I do now.
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Filly
Yeah, I love it. So many things that are just like nodding my head and like, I see my story in your story even there. Oh, okay. To heal myself, I have to eat really perfect. And I also had orthorexia and like, everyone is like, wow, you're so strong. I can't believe you're not eating sugar for like a year, including fruit.
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Filly
Wow, you're so awesome. And you know, it's like getting more of that external validation and it just feeds that controlling perfectionism, nature and then and then needing to go deeper as well. So we're not just a physical body. We're so many other parts of ourselves. So the root cause, because we're always like, what's the deepest root? What was the deepest root here?
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Filly
And I know that you've done so much work on yourself already. What what do you think was the deepest root that stemmed into everything else?
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Georgie
Well, it's so funny because and I hear this a lot from my clients of this, this idea of I put so much pressure on myself, I hold myself to high standards. It's me. I'm doing it to myself. And when I explore that and we go back to childhood, we actually find out, well, hang on, where did you pick up that?
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Georgie
That's the standard. Where did you get the impression that this is what perfect looks like? We learnt it somewhere we weren't born with that. We were conditioned with it. So it's not you. You're putting the pressure on yourself. It's a pressure that you learnt and absorbed and. And it's not even a decision. It's an unconscious program that happens when we're children that says, this is how I'm going to fit in and belong in this family and be accepted, not be rejected and survive.
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Georgie
And so we often think, okay, that's going to look like really controlling parents and, you know, that are pushing you to do things that you don't want to do. And sometimes it is. But in my case, I'm looking at where was this perfectionism coming from and this like sense of pressure. And I've got to be doing all the time.
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Georgie
I didn't have that from my parents. I didn't have parents that was saying, you've got to get, you know, a plus on all your tests and why, why is it not? It wasn't like that. However. It was, oh my goodness, look at all those eyes. You're oh, we're so proud of you. You're such a high achiever. And look at your sister.
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Georgie
And she gets such high scores too. And there was a general, you know, bar that was set. It's more subtle than we realise. And so we put stuff up and I'm both my parents are very, you know, accomplished people in themselves. So again, there's this sort of, expectation is subtly, communicated to us as children. And for me, it was really unlearning a lot of that and looking at, well, hang on, you know, yes, you know, that my I've got these people in my family that have achieved a lot of success, but is it do I really want their life now that I'm an adult and I can choose this?
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Georgie
Like, is that is that the the trajectory and the the choices? And do I want to be that and not that I, you know that they're doing their own thing. That's them. But when I ask me what do I want? It's different. And that's where we can start to reconnect with this authenticity, like the real you. That's just I actually just want to go, you know, frolic in the trees for an hour.
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Georgie
This year. Yeah. I want to swim in the beach, and I and I want to help people, and I want to be creative in my work. And, and we can start to connect to those parts of ourselves. And it's different for everyone. What that looks like.
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Filly
Love it. Something else too. Like a subtle a subtle programming that I say is a pattern. And I certainly had it too. Good girl, good boy. It's like okay this is what it is to be a good girl or a good boy and far out. I have to catch myself when I say it out loud to our kids.
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Filly
Now as well. Yeah. It's like you're such a good girl. It's like, oh, hang on, hang on. What am I really trying to say here in this moment that's going to help my child to also to have healthy beliefs and expectations about herself.
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Georgie
Yes. That is such a tough one. And it's funny because I recently worked on that pattern with a client, and it was it was very much the good girl and it was trying to help her see that, because she was quite happy being a good girl. She's like, yeah, but I'm a good girl. And I was like, well, yes, but if you set that expectation that you have to be a good girl all the time or a good person like, you know, gender regardless, then what happens when you make a mistake?
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Georgie
What when you're human, what happens when you feel some really heavy dark emotions. Like is that fitting into the category of the good girl. Because these are all parts of the human human experience that we limit ourselves into just this little box. Good girl. And whenever we fall outside of that, and we're inevitably going to because we're human, we're going to think, I'm bad now.
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Georgie
During I'm not likeable. This is the part of me that oh I got to repress that. And this is where, yeah. We really start to get some, you know, panic attacks coming out of the blue and things like that. Because there's parts of us huge chunks of ourselves that we don't want to look at. And we want to be buried and suppressed because we don't like that part of ourselves, because we want that other people, usually our parents didn't like that part of us.
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Georgie
And I like it like a tantrum, but I like it when I'm old or stubborn or whatever it might be. It's so tough, isn't it?
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Filly
So tough, so tough.
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Chris
This is it. In in my experience, was a little bit different. It wasn't, in school. Be good, get the grades, all that. So stuff mom was on the court or on the field in, in, in sport. And I know I got a lot of validation from dad. Chris, win win at all costs.
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Chris
Like, you've got to do this. Like, if you win, you're great. Like, I. I don't remember him saying those exact words, but. But I definitely picked that up. It was when you're winning, you're, my favourite. When you are the best on the court, you're. You're amazing. And then I guess it's unsafe to lose. And so when I'm looking like I'm losing on the court, I would get angry.
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Chris
I would drop into fight. Definitely wasn't flight. It was always a fight complex. Response. Sorry. And I think that that win lose dichotomy was my anxiety showing up. Like, from what you're like, my version of what you were saying, you're awesome. If you're winning, you're not good enough if you're losing. And then until I started working on that.
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Chris
So, that stuff, I started to unravel. Yeah. Actually, Chris, you know, some people win, some people lose. You're always going to be good enough, even if you're not winning. Yeah. So anxiety can can definitely take, a lot of different shapes and forms. Can it.
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Georgie
Definitely. And that's, that's again that reinforcement of win win win will create inevitably this huge fear of being what if I'm the loser? What if I lose? I can't be that. I can't be that. That's the worst thing we can be. And yet every single one of us is going to lose many, many times in our lives because that's the nature, especially in sport, especially if like, you know, that's it's win lose all the time, like you're not you can all go through sport winning all the time.
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Georgie
So yeah, it's it's big isn't it. Like and and I guess the answer comes back to you especially like from our we have to do this starting with ourselves. But then there's hope translates and it does translate into how we show up as parents and for the little ones and the younger generations. But it's validation regardless of the win or the lose validation, regardless of the being good or misbehaving or being bad or making a mistake.
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Georgie
It's like, can you love yourself when you are telling yourself I'm a loser right now? Or when you're telling yourself, I'm too emotional, I'm so sensitive or I'm I'm no one would want to be around me right now. Can you tell yourself, actually, that's not the truth. And you're still lovable right now. Even now, even now, when you think you're not lovable, you actually are.
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Georgie
That's where it starts to shift, and that's where then we have more space to be with the parts of our, children who, you know, are not pleasing to us because we hate the parts of ourselves that aren't pleasing to us.
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Filly
Huge. And we'll probably circle back to some of that a little bit later. But can we talk about the physical body? So as a natural path nutritionist, body systems can definitely impact mental health and anxiety. What do you see as common patterns.
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Georgie
Yeah. So I mean, the gut health comes back to as a natural bad. Like we were just like obsessed with the gut and how it impacts every system in our body.
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Filly
Like the root of all issues.
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Georgie
I mean, I would say it's a tie between got a nervous system like the two really, feeding each other. And there's this cycle going on and people often say, you know, do I start with the gut first, or do I start with the mind first or the nervous system? And it's like we actually need to combat both at once, you know, because they they enhance one another.
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Georgie
So I like to work with got healing to people. Hormones are another. Another important one, of course, especially, especially for women. Of course, men are going to experience, you know, fluctuations in their cortisol levels and, and potentially testosterone as well. And that can be a part of it. But with women, it's just so like well, over the premenstrual anxiety is a huge thing.
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Georgie
As well as perimenopause at any, any age over 35, like we're potentially in that zone where we're starting to go through that transition. So, progesterone levels are so key. And when we're stressed and we have high cortisol levels, we get into played out progesterone. So there's this balancing act that happens. And the more we work on our stress and we support ourselves and help balance those cortisol levels out, the better we're going to be able to naturally produce our own progesterone.
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Georgie
But at the same time, we can support our progesterone levels with certain herbs and nutrients. That can help the process. So yeah, but then the God is going to be a helpful ally there, too, because it helps us to clear out and detoxify excess oestrogen that can build up in the body. Thing is feeding everything. It's always fascinating.
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Filly
Yeah. Love it with the gut, too. Sometimes if I'm talking to a client and I'm like, ooh, I'm kind of suspecting something there, but they're like, I don't have any gut symptoms, but like, I don't get bloating. I can eat McDonald's every day. It's fine. Not that I choose to do that, but if I do, it's okay.
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Filly
What are your thoughts?
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Chris
Have they turned 40 yet? Those people.
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Georgie
I mean, you always get these anomalies, don't you? Of, like, you know, my grand grandmother lived to 98, and she smoked cigarettes every day, and, you know, like, you'll always have that. But I think there's an element of of a real disconnect from our bodies and a lack of awareness, of what we're actually feeling because. So many of us are living up in our mind all the time.
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Georgie
So we're solving problems. We're working from computers. We're thinking, thinking, thinking how just being aware of how much that takes you out of your physical body. And then we ignore the fact that actually, I'm thirsty and I drink water. We ignore the fact of, oh, I'll just worked through lunch. Like it's so easy to ignore that when we're really driven and motivated and push, push, push.
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Georgie
So then we may well ignore those more subtle signs from our body. So I'm very thorough with my gut health questions. Like, I'm like, literally, what is the consistency of your stool? Like, let's let's get into that. And I give them options. I'm like.
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Filly
Okay, three days a week will be.
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Georgie
Concern for me. No, I don't need five days. I don't need five days. Just but, you know, because we we only know our normal. Like what's normal for you is, is what you think is normal for everyone. Because who's talking to their partner in their, you know, family members and friends about about what that period looks like, like we did through that.
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Georgie
So you might actually have chronic bloating, but that's normal to you because it's all you had for years and years. So really thorough questioning is kind of where I go with that. And also I've got that little part of me of, of okay, is there a disconnect happening with the body? Is this person really aware? And sometimes, you know, coming back to that after after a weight can be really helpful too.
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Georgie
It's like, oh, actually, I did notice that, you know, actually every Belmarsh on this lake has been loose, you know, and then we can start to start to see that, a lot of people aren't even aware if they're going every day. Right? These kind of basic things that tell us so much about, about the health of the, of the body and how everything's functioning, so, that can be part of it.
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Georgie
And yeah, if there's no symptoms and, you know, that's not the body system, that's kind of like really screaming out for for support, then I tend to, you know, I think the gut can always, can always do with a little bit more of our fermented foods, a little bit more of our bone broth and those kind of like, let's add it into I would be more adding it into the diet rather than, okay, we need to go on like a big supplement plan here.
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Georgie
The less supplements the better in my mind. Like if we can get it from food, that's awesome. But yeah, then I'm kind of like, okay, there's room now for more magnesium and more, things could nourish our nervous system and support that that brain functioning as well.
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Filly
So good. I'm thinking of a client. I think we tested for Sibo not because she was claiming to have any major gut symptoms, but definitely histamine intolerances, allergies, all that sort of stuff. So yeah, I came back positive and it was interesting. After she traded it, she's like, I didn't realise I had bloating because now my tummy feels different.
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Georgie
Yes. And that's a good point to you, right? Silly. Like when we have those. So maybe it's not the gut that's, you know, holding out the signals directly in a way that we can notice or pick up that it's the allergies, the hay fever, the the funny symptoms. Or maybe we're really getting like PMS that is associated with, with ovulation symptoms as well, which often is a histamine response.
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Georgie
And then of course we got to go. Okay. Well what's the root of that. And, and say good one, which I can't believe still how undiagnosed and talked about that's bad English but I'm like not disco people is like it just it's it's so prevalent. It's everywhere. And it really changes people's lives when we when we look at it can up as chronic bloating.
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Georgie
But it can also be a little bit more subtle, like those chronic skin issues or. Yeah, you know, it itches. Random things.
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Filly
Yeah. The random things. It's like, let's look at the gut. Okay. I'm going to read something. So this is how I came across you in. It was a Instagram reel. I can't remember what you were doing, but I'm going to read the caption because I'd like to talking to this. So you said it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me that we tell anxious people who already believe there's something fundamentally wrong with them, that they have a long life disorder.
00:24:42:06 - 00:25:07:15
Filly
We imply that they will always have to tiptoe around and manage that pesky, pesky, inconvenient, problematic anxiety which keeps us stuck as an anxiety battler, fighting against ourselves, feeling anything but calm and peaceful. And yet these are the exact same things. People who benefit so and and enormously when I help them see that there's actually nothing fundamentally wrong with them and they never was.
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Filly
I love that.
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Georgie
Yeah. A lot in that right there is I mean I think perhaps you like this perfectly with a story of a client. I was doing a session with her last night and it's so nice because sometimes I can like tuck my clients into bed. So I talk to her into bed with this session. And she was told, that, she was told by a medical professional that she was very unwell and that if she doesn't find the right medication for her, and she's been trying different medications, and every time her body is just like, this isn't it's making her anxiety worse.
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Georgie
And that's, by the way, not to say medication can't help people and that it's not important tool. At times it can be. But every time she's experienced and she's been pushing through for weeks and weeks and weeks trying to find the right medication, and, and this medical professional told her you're not going to get better unless you find the right medication and you are unwell and you need to go to hospital for this to to to go through this medical, medication transition.
00:26:09:09 - 00:26:39:20
Georgie
And I could see how disempowering that language was and how much that was reinforcing her own fear and belief and this inner child, part of her that was so scared of being helpless and powerless and that she was going to be stuck this way and while it might be that finding the right medication is part of her journey, I wanted to remind her very much so that she she has the power within herself.
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Georgie
It's not going to be this outside external thing that quote unquote saves her, even though we all long for that and we all want to find something that's going to save us. We are so powerful. And when we, consistently reinforce with this idea of, you can't, you know, you're not going to be able to to work your way through this.
00:27:00:21 - 00:27:23:14
Georgie
And, and you don't have the power like that messaging your broken your fundamentally like, sorry. That's it for you. It it keeps people in the cycle in cases believing that, like I'm powerless in this feeling. So the more we can move into a empowered place, the more we see better results, the more people start to build their confidence again.
00:27:23:15 - 00:27:51:05
Georgie
They're like, oh, wow. I actually was able to see it with that wave of anxiety that came through my body. And it didn't kill me. And I'm still here. And well, for the first time, I just experienced what it's like to feel a sense of power over it. Not. It is like having power over me. I often use this example of it's like, when I was standing at the beach and you say, you know, all of us in Australia, we're very used to surf beaches and we know how to, like, handle those waves.
00:27:51:05 - 00:28:17:12
Georgie
Right. But when you see that wave like a big wave coming towards you at the beach, it can be there's that moment sometimes of feel like, what if this one's going to really topple me over? And if you've ever stood there and tried to fight the waves and like, not, you know, not go with the in the way that we need to, you will get churned up in that washing machine of the wave and you'll get, we call it being dumped by a wave and it feels horrible.
00:28:17:12 - 00:28:36:13
Georgie
And that's often what it's like when we try to spot our own anxiety and resist it and push against it, and do all the things that our instincts tell us to do, which is distract yourself, go away from this feeling. This is pain. I don't want to be in this, when we learn and there's a little bit of a leap of faith required here.
00:28:36:14 - 00:28:53:21
Georgie
Literally. Can we learn? If you dive into that way, do you dive under it? You're going to glide through gracefully. You're going to be safe. You're going to feel great on the other side. You're going to say you're going to come out. You're gonna be like, then we have this sense of, like, I'm I'm in charge of the way.
00:28:53:21 - 00:29:18:23
Georgie
There is huge force coming towards you. Any kind of emotion, any negative, like a negative emotions, but especially anxiety. It works the same way. So when we know how to work with that emotion, everything changes. So always love it. What? These messages of like you're not powerful, you can't do this are telling us to do is just like stand and let the waves kind of take you.
00:29:19:00 - 00:29:48:11
Georgie
Because I want to. I teach people how to dive into that wave and how to feel powerful through that process, and it heals them. You know, people get better when they believe in themselves and everyone has that power inside them. You know, as long as as long as we are ready and willing to take that responsibility and we're ready to look honestly and see the inner child in us, that's so scared and powerless so we can go, hang on, that's just my inner child.
00:29:48:11 - 00:30:02:09
Georgie
That's not me. I that's not all of me. That's just a part of me. And I can help this part of me. And I can say, hey, I've got you. Like, I'm going to take you through this wave. It's all right. We got this. And then that's a change.
00:30:02:10 - 00:30:04:13
Filly
Yeah, I love that.
00:30:04:13 - 00:30:06:18
Chris
So good.
00:30:06:19 - 00:30:28:17
Filly
I think about that to, like, a lot of people who listen to this show and clients burnt out, which often shows up as chronic fatigue or autoimmune or mean type conditions as well. So fibromyalgia is a big one too, and getting the same sort of narrative too. It's like you got it, you got an autoimmune condition, like you're going to have this forever.
00:30:28:19 - 00:30:34:13
Filly
We don't have a medication for you, so you just kind of have to learn to live with it and manage it.
00:30:34:15 - 00:30:55:02
Georgie
Yeah. I mean, it really comes down to, like, we live in the emotional dark ages, so, like, no one knows what to do with these emotions. And, and we didn't know more children and our parents didn't know how to guide us through that. We couldn't regulate our nervous systems when we were children. So we grow up into adults and the waves come at us and we're like, I don't know what to do.
00:30:55:04 - 00:31:29:06
Georgie
A lot of our medical professionals are also not trained to work with emotions and understand that. And the reason I bring emotions up with autoimmune as well is that it we often and almost certainly will say behind an autoimmune process, past history of trauma, or even the subtle traumas. So, you know, trauma is not just like our getting in a car accident or some kind of abuse situation or war zone trauma is any scenario that caused you distress that has not been resolved.
00:31:29:08 - 00:31:48:19
Georgie
That could have been is so many subtle things. It could have just been growing up feeling like you always had to compare to your sibling. That was always doing better than you or something like that. That's traumatic. Or having a parent who was so busy trying to love you and trying to, you know, provide for you, but so inconsistently available, that's traumatic as well.
00:31:48:21 - 00:32:17:16
Georgie
So, these emotions build up in our system. And for some of us they will express as things like autoimmune conditions, we don't have whenever it's idiopathic or we don't have and we don't know where that came from. Yes we do. Yes. And the way the way that we are going to treat things in the future and the way the medical system has to evolve is to, is to look at this and start to explore those, those deeper causes behind it.
00:32:17:18 - 00:32:37:07
Georgie
And what's so amazing is we're not powerless. We've got somewhere to go. We've got something to explore. And I love that as much as I know these experiences, whether you get diagnosed with a really scary health condition or something that's really inconvenient or it's anxiety and panic attacks and that kind of thing, it can feel like it can feel like your world is ending.
00:32:37:07 - 00:32:59:09
Georgie
It can feel like like that's it for your life. And it's very scary. But equally, these experiences are happening for us because they make us stop and they make us really have to get honest with ourselves and look at this stuff. Because why would we go back to our inner child stuff and look at our past otherwise, like I wouldn't have?
00:32:59:11 - 00:33:24:04
Georgie
You know, it's really it's really uncomfortable sometimes doing that. And it's it's painful and it's and it sucks at times. But gosh, it's worth it on the other side. Like when you when you get it and when you, when you have claimed back a piece of yourself again. So yeah, I just that's just such an important message I want to share with people is like, this is I know it's like cliche, but it really is happening for you.
00:33:24:04 - 00:33:42:03
Georgie
And it's the sign of life that wakes us up and has us go and explore these parts of ourselves so we don't have to pass on the same, you know, good girl message to our children. Like we can catch owls at the we can tell our kids, you know, you got to win all the time. And that's the only time I'm happy with you.
00:33:42:05 - 00:33:48:19
Georgie
Then we can all start to heal. And the whole whole of humanity gets that out. So you're participating in that with this journey?
00:33:48:21 - 00:33:49:15
Filly
Yeah.
00:33:49:17 - 00:33:50:15
Chris
It's beautiful.
00:33:50:17 - 00:34:25:23
Filly
I was thinking about when you're talking about resistance, of going back and it's like it's challenging and it's uncomfortable and it's hard. I think my, my resistance to going back was, that's going to take a lot of time. And I got to do this like it's the high achiever, the the go, go go patterns that were almost made it feel impossible to stop and slow down and go inwards and go back because there was a fear there that if I did that, the whole world is going to crumble because I'm not achieving.
00:34:26:01 - 00:34:43:02
Filly
Which is so funny because when I lean into it and trust the process and actually did that deep in a healing child work, it's like, oh my gosh, like actually things are happening in my real life without a lot of effort now, and it feels good.
00:34:43:04 - 00:35:11:17
Georgie
Oh my God, life just gets better and better when we do this. It's listening because we become more and more of our authentic selves. We went unlearn who we thought we had to be, and then it just feels so much better. It's like, oh, you know, like I used to pressure myself all the time. I used to think, because I have this natural I don't know if you know much about sleep per know times, but I have a dolphin sleep chronotype, and so I naturally get this burst of energy late at night, and I'm like, I'm like, I want to party.
00:35:11:17 - 00:35:16:15
Georgie
Even though at about 9 p.m. I'm like, I'm pretty tired right now. I will 10 p.m. I'm excited.
00:35:16:15 - 00:35:22:17
Filly
Like, I'm out. Yeah, I'm a bear. So I'm like 10 to 7, love my sleep. Hibernate.
00:35:22:17 - 00:35:39:22
Georgie
I feel like you you don't you don't get this. Well then. But it's like a dolphin. It's a whole different thing. And I used to shame myself for that because I thought, I have to be other people. I have to get to bed earlier. And. And once you know when you learn that, okay, this is actually you. And that's okay.
00:35:39:22 - 00:36:01:05
Georgie
Like, that's just me being me. And I'm actually kind of wired that way biologically. And it's okay. And I can I can work with it and benefit it. And you know, I don't I don't do any work before 10 a.m. in the morning, most mornings on a weekday, unless there's an exception like I've, I've managed to set my life up to work with that and that, I feel so good for my nervous system.
00:36:01:07 - 00:36:18:09
Georgie
So, you know, we I've spent probably ten years of my life shaming myself in my sleep, thinking I need to get out of bed earlier. I need to get to bed earlier. I don't have to do that anymore. This is what I mean about, like, how it can get better and better. We just learn to kind of be okay with who we are and how we are.
00:36:18:11 - 00:36:24:11
Georgie
And it's not like who you decided that, you know, you have to start work at 9 a.m.. Yeah. You decided?
00:36:24:13 - 00:36:24:21
Filly
Yeah.
00:36:24:21 - 00:36:33:00
Georgie
Like I, I know sometimes our jobs do, but like, sometimes we can also work with that and and negotiate these things. Yeah.
00:36:33:02 - 00:37:01:12
Filly
That I think about my sleep patterns. So if I'm lights out ten feeling good. Great energies. Awesome. Feeling good. Now I, I had this want to watch Netflix at night which I even though in my practitioner mind and like all the research is like get off screens before you go to bed for like at an hour, an hour or two and, but I just really, really enjoyed watching Netflix.
00:37:01:14 - 00:37:20:20
Filly
But there was this period where I was fighting against that. It's like, okay, no, I'm going to be a good girl tonight. I'm not going to watch it. I'm just going to read a book. And then that there'd be resentment and then watch it. And I found that when I actually just surrendered into, you know, what, I just really want to watch a Netflix episode.
00:37:20:22 - 00:37:40:21
Filly
And I know that if I turn it off before ten, I'm going to have a great sleep, and I get to feel great in the morning. And when I just allowed that to be, it was so good. There was no guilt. Like I would literally be feel anxiety in my body. In the past, when I watched something before bed, whereas now it's I actually just enjoy it because I want to do it.
00:37:40:23 - 00:38:06:12
Georgie
But mean it's the same thing with like I've been on a big journey with emotional eating too. It's the same as like when you let yourself just enjoy the chocolate like it doesn't. And it changes how that food. And I know there's research behind this. I'm not going to quote the study where it is, but but I know there is research that shows that foods react differently in our body, depending on whether we're stressed about the fact that we ate this bad food or not.
00:38:06:14 - 00:38:25:01
Georgie
So like even that is the same thing. And it's not to say go like eat chocolate for every meal every day, but like just let ourselves be. The more we can say, and that's okay and that's okay. You're a human. We have this fear that we're going to lose motivation and we're going to just spin off the rails.
00:38:25:01 - 00:38:53:17
Georgie
And and I think there's a place for discipline, too. But equally, when we're way too far in that pressure zone, we I think men actually tend to operate better in that sort of like with discipline and more, more, more of that go for it. And you're in a sort of like competition, like women we like, we really need space and we really need like, but it is sort of, you know, being able to to relax and allow ourselves to do our things in our own time.
00:38:53:19 - 00:38:56:08
Georgie
More. I don't know, Christy. Tell me if you think that's.
00:38:56:08 - 00:38:59:03
Filly
That's Christy is pretty, has quite a lot of feminine energy.
00:38:59:03 - 00:38:59:18
Chris
I can, I.
00:38:59:18 - 00:39:03:01
Filly
Can you're describing Chris right now. I'm like a.
00:39:03:03 - 00:39:09:07
Chris
Yang I'm a yeah, I'm a I'm very much both.
00:39:09:09 - 00:39:11:16
Filly
Will you. Yeah. Know. Yeah. You are both.
00:39:11:17 - 00:39:13:14
Chris
I can, depends on the time.
00:39:13:14 - 00:39:14:20
Filly
You just flip the switch.
00:39:14:22 - 00:39:41:13
Chris
Yeah, but I but I think that's, that's come, that's, that's been a process to get to that point. Whereas no I agree Georgie. Like, the natural way if you don't work on it would be. Yeah. Do do do go go go. Discipline. Discipline. Sacrifice. Yeah. For the cause. You know, like, I think that's a very natural masculine energy.
00:39:41:15 - 00:40:07:04
Chris
But I think, yeah, that balance. I when you, when you switch from, from insecure, 20 to 35 year old guy, you work on those secure insecurity days, you get secure and then you switch into dad, grandad phase. That's that's where I think that feminine energy can come out, I think. And Sean.
00:40:07:06 - 00:40:08:09
Georgie
Yeah, we all made.
00:40:08:12 - 00:40:09:22
Filly
It really sexy right now.
00:40:10:02 - 00:40:13:20
Chris
Wow. Thank you.
00:40:13:22 - 00:40:14:13
Georgie
It's not.
00:40:14:15 - 00:40:15:06
Filly
About his.
00:40:15:06 - 00:40:21:11
Georgie
Feeling. You know what? We love that.
00:40:21:13 - 00:40:46:20
Filly
All right, last question. And I think it will go along with what we're talking about. But I'd like to I'd like to get quite practical in what this actually looks like. So if a listener is listening to this and they're like, okay, how do I do this surrender thing? And how do I listen to myself? Because you, you feel like when we can surrender, that gives us ultimate liberation.
00:40:46:22 - 00:40:58:05
Filly
How do we how do we get to that point? How does someone know when they have that? And I'm guessing listening to the inner, the inner guide enables us to do that too.
00:40:58:07 - 00:41:34:20
Georgie
Yes. I mean, look, there is no I could I could say, okay, step one, step two, step three. But there is no, no single process to get here. So this is something that we all have to find our own way of, of getting to that surrender some ways that I, that I kind of help guide people with. This is just imagine right now like when you're really stressed and everything feels really serious in your life, just imagine you're driving a car and you're gripping the steering wheel really tight, and then imagine what it's like when you just listen to this and it can help to like, actually do this and have your fears and loose
00:41:34:20 - 00:41:55:17
Georgie
in them and just notice yourself, like loosening the grip on your whole life and all this stuff that you think is so serious. Remember, it's not true. These are just conditions in your mind and limitations that you were programmed into you. It's not the truth of who you are, just things that we're doing to survive and all that survival energy, even that's coming from fear.
00:41:55:19 - 00:42:15:08
Georgie
And fear is ultimately an illusion. Covers over the top of the truth of who we are. There is a true self underneath that. And, if we can drop into that, that's who we were born as before. We were told who we're meant to be. So you can start to question, okay, like, I really feel like I have to do this, you know, piece of work today.
00:42:15:08 - 00:42:37:06
Georgie
It has to be done today. We can start to drop into it. Well, does it have to be done today like this? Like where's that coming from? Well, if I don't do it today, I'm a loser. I'm not. And then we start to get a bit of a clue. The more awareness we have of those old patterns and programs and we start to get a bit of a clue of like, this is like an inner child thing.
00:42:37:06 - 00:42:57:01
Georgie
This isn't actually who I am. Like, I'm an adult now, and I get to choose the rules of my life and what makes me worthy and and valid and have that approval. I can give it to myself. And I've decided whether I complete this task today or not. I'm still worthy and I'm still lovable. I know that's hard to do.
00:42:57:02 - 00:43:11:15
Georgie
And then we can start to, you know, maybe let's say you really pressed and you got all this stuff going on your life, and you're not gonna be able to get that tossed on. Like, realistically, you just can't. Okay, well, maybe we can start to explore the options. What if you emailed your boss or your team and you started to say, hey, I need some help?
00:43:11:15 - 00:43:31:06
Georgie
Yeah. I'm not gonna be able to get this done today. And you can come from that adult part of you that's that knows you're still worthy asking for that rather than that inner child that's like, oh, I could ask because now I'm going to get in trouble and I'm not a bad person. And I'm like, you know, going to be like, they're not going to like me anymore.
00:43:31:06 - 00:43:58:05
Georgie
It's like, you're human. You're allowed to do times like, we all need some some flexibility, some space at times and help. We need help with each other. Yeah. So that's a long kind of, you know little flowy answer to your question that. But I would say we have to figure out within ourselves and contemplate on on what, what really is true and get really clear on on who we're not.
00:43:58:05 - 00:44:26:11
Georgie
And these false ideas that will constantly come at us, you know, we're always going to be invited to, you know, but that, that, that I'm going to say Apple of like your ego and like I need to win and I need to be the best and and this is how I show that I'm perfect or, you know, whatever makes us hold tight onto life and it's up to us to just have the conscious awareness and develop that over time to realise that's that's not the truth.
00:44:26:13 - 00:44:44:15
Georgie
The truth is you are enough right now. Even if that doesn't feel real, that is the truth. So how can you find a way to actually feel that that's real for you and and kind of come to that, that understanding? It's like for a long time I was like, I'm here about this thing, oneness. And I'm like, what does that actually mean?
00:44:44:15 - 00:45:04:19
Georgie
I spent years, you know, really feeling into that and thinking about that. And I would say only at this point in my life and my deep in understanding what oneness is, the fact that, you know, if I'm angry at another person, they are mirroring back something to me and a part of me, that there's something in me that I'm angry about like this.
00:45:04:21 - 00:45:22:18
Georgie
We are all just the same source energy inside each other. And that's why I feel like when you asked me before we hit record, you said, are you are you worried about like, is there anything you don't want to share about your personal story? No, because anything in my experience is just a flavour of the human experience that everyone would relate to.
00:45:22:21 - 00:45:28:02
Georgie
Anything that's of shame in me or doubt or fear or any weakness, the humanity bits.
00:45:28:04 - 00:45:29:06
Filly
I'm like.
00:45:29:08 - 00:45:37:05
Georgie
You guys, if you want to judge me, do it. Feel like you've got this shit inside yourselves to like we are all one, so that makes me not need to share it.
00:45:37:11 - 00:46:05:08
Filly
Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. We could talk for hours. I have so many other questions that I value your time. So thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been awesome. I know so many people are going to resonate with everything that you just said. If someone wants to reach out to you or find out more about you or follow along with you, you've got your Instagram is a good place to go and website.
00:46:05:10 - 00:46:23:04
Georgie
Yeah, yeah. So your Instagram is at Georgie The Natural Path and my website is Georgie collinson.com. So you can go check out some fun things there. We got a free masterclass on my Instagram and a free instant calm meditation you can download as well. So lots of goodies to kind of invite you into my world and get it.
00:46:23:04 - 00:46:24:12
Georgie
Get started. Yeah.
00:46:24:13 - 00:46:28:19
Filly
Sounds awesome. And we'll put those in the show notes. So thank you so much.
00:46:29:00 - 00:46:38:00
Chris
Thanks, Georgie. Everybody, thank you so much for joining us. See you on the next one.
00:46:38:02 - 00:46:48:04
Filly
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00:46:48:06 - 00:47:14:05
Chris
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00:47:14:07 - 00:47:14:16
Chris
For.
