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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Phile, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello podcast people. How are you? It's chilly here on the Indie Body Burnout show. Chris and I had the absolute pleasure of interviewing Nadine Champion today. She's a motivational speaker and mindset coach. She was an absolute joy to interview. I both laughed, she's very funny and also cried because she speaks from the heart. And during the interview, she honestly and openly shared the life lessons that she's learned from her past as a martial artist and how she courageously fought cancer, and how changing her thinking and busy patterns has led to an even more beautiful, richer and happier life, even with lingering post cancer fatigue.
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Filly
So for those who are really struggling with chronic health issues, I know that you're really going to get so much out of this podcast and ways forward to navigate both your healing, but also also your current and present state of the symptoms you're experiencing and how you can actually move forward with not toxic positivity, but in a way that's actually going to not only help you heal, but also to find joy and pleasure and lessons along the way.
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Filly
Rather than being stuck in a pit of hopelessness. So Nadine's official bio. She is an inspiring international keynote keynote speaker, author and awarded martial artist. With over 30 years experience. She has successfully fought and won many battles in her life from title fights in the ring to overcoming cancer. An acclaimed motivational speaker, her 10s of Courage TEDx Sydney Talk is regarded as one of the most memorable of all time.
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Filly
She got a standing ovation and I was also. I've listened. I've watched this many times. Like many times. Two times. I've watched the tedtalks two times and both times I cry at the end. It's beautiful. Nadine is a respected teacher known for creating a high performance mindset in people from all walks of life. Her passion is to challenge individuals and organisations to change their thinking, to reach their highest potential and armed with a zest for life born of a authentic lived experience, Nadine uses her own inspirational story to ignite resilience, encouraging others.
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Filly
Her dream is to build a community of people using 10s of courage to reach their highest potential. All right, let's dive in.
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Chris
Gidday guys, and welcome to the ending Body burnout show. We are so excited to bring you this episode. We have a very special guest, Nadine Champion. Thank you so much, Nadine, for coming on the podcast today.
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Filly
We're very.
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Nadine
Excited.
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Filly
Yay! We're so excited to have you on here. I came across you 2021. What's your Ted talk? And it was phenomenal. And goosebump and I cried at the end. And I also watched it last night again as a refresher, getting into the energy of today's, interview and cried again.
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Nadine
It's what I do. I make people cry. I make people gradually. I won't make anyone cry today. Thanks for watching.
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Filly
So you have you have a really interesting story in so many ways. Let's go back to when you were a little kid. Just so that people can get to know you, your background, what you passionate about, what you do, that you, very big in the martial arts, sphere. Can we. Why did you get into that?
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Nadine
I'm sure there's a few of your listeners are just gone. What on earth does this have to do with me? This martial arts lady? But you know, the way that that I look at martial arts is, you know, we're all. We're all fighting battles. We're all fighting for something in life, you know, and hopefully that that something is ourselves and our loved ones.
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Nadine
You know, some of us are fighting for our health, all of these things. So martial arts is, like a vehicle that I use to discuss what happens for us as humans, using, you know, a sporting, colourful kind of a context. But, you know, hopefully today there'll be something for everyone because we're all we're all little humans inside, you know, with all our thoughts and feelings and contradictions.
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Nadine
So I used martial arts as a vehicle for learning. So it was like uni, like physical uni for me. But I got into martial arts, almost by accident because my older brother was getting bullied at school. So my parents thought, let's take him to a martial arts class and, you know, see if he if he likes it, builds him confidence, self-defence, that kind of thing.
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Nadine
It wasn't really for him, but, you know, I saw it, and I fell in love to me. You know, people sort of scratch their heads and think. You must have been a violent little kid to want to get into that. And I'm like, no, no, no. The last thing I was interested in then or now is, is getting into physical confrontations with people.
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Nadine
It wasn't the martial part that interested me. To me, it was. It was, the arts. It was graceful and beautiful and dynamic, and it just was a perfect fit in my world. So I fell in love with it when I was a little kid.
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Filly
Yeah. That's cool, I think I had to, Did your mum say little girls can do anything and you.
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Nadine
Guys can do anything? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's a sticker that was in my bedroom when I was little, and, you know, it's it's part of our belief system. Yeah. You know, it's part of what we believe. And it's amazing how having simple messages when we're little, it goes in and I've, we've got a little a little guys 13 right now early days of high school.
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Nadine
And he's got a sign in his bedroom right now that says attitude is everything. Yeah. It's it's the approach you take. So in martial arts we call that internal training. So the external is a physical martial arts boot. The internal training is all of the mindset, all the attitude adjustments and the heart that we put into what we do.
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Nadine
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Filly
Thinking when you said that like the belief system. So in our practice and what we do with a lot of our clients and a lot of the conversations Chris and I have on the podcast too is around the the deepest root cause of body burnout actually comes back to the beliefs that you have about yourself that sets up your thinking, your emotions, your behavioural patterns.
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Filly
So that's that's really interesting. What did I I'm curious what you discovered about yourself when you. Oh, yeah. And like the thinking in the mindset side of things because from what I know of your journey, know like going into martial arts, it was kind of like a discovery for self.
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Nadine
Yeah, it's been a wild ride. I've been on this ride for about 38 years, learning about myself through this, this avenue and learning about other people. So I've been teaching martial arts for decades as well. You learn so much as you would know by being in other people's corner. You learn so much about, as you said, the beliefs they hold, the way they think, the way they feel, and how that influences our action or inaction and the impact that that then has on us physically.
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Nadine
You know, so I'm sure we'll go into, you know, some of the, the more the maybe the darker parts of the journey. But, you know, we all have so much experience in life. And for me, martial arts was a way of gaining more experience. And I was very, very lucky to have a great teacher who's been guiding me on that journey all this time, you know, in helping me learn about me, helping me learn about teaching other people and, you know, nudging me, giving me those little nudges.
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Nadine
It's the difference between having a friend and a mentor, you know, not just someone who's the cheer squad to go, great job, you know, but someone to go, great job. But what about this part? Yeah. You know, so I'm very grateful to have had that person in my corner. And you know, I'm honoured to be able to be that person for other people.
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Filly
Poking the wounds and seeing the blind spots.
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Nadine
Yeah. We all have things to work on, right? Yeah, yeah. What, what.
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Filly
So along your journey, and maybe if we talk about the martial arts as, like, the metaphor as well. What was some key life, insights, messages, learnings that you discovered along the way, especially around facing hard things.
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Nadine
You know, as you might expect, there are a number of challenging things that come up in, in martial arts land, just like in life. So it's it's such a mirror image in so many ways. You know, one day everything's great, you're golden. Everything's working out perfectly. The next day you can't even get started. You woke up, you don't feel good.
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Nadine
Whether it's physically or mentally, emotionally or all of the above. You know, it's such, it's such a mirror. And going through that process in martial arts, it wasn't just do these moves physically and then go home. The style of my martial arts that I do. My name's, been in the UK. There's some famous martial arts guy, but to me, he's Sensei Benny.
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Nadine
That just means honourable teacher. He's basically like my second dad. And he's taken me on this journey through, you know, self-discovery that I then went to uni. I'm a I'm a social scientist by education, specialising in criminology. I'm watching you guys. But, you know, I'm fascinated by people. So I was learning so, so deeply from the wisest person I've ever met.
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Nadine
And then I was backing it up with academic research and going into, you know, the journey that we have within ourselves. And martial arts is a great way to use it, as you said metaphorically, to talk about who your real opponent is. You know, who who are we really fighting against? And it's so easy to externalise and blame and talk about what's hard in the world and what this person.
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Nadine
Why did you make it challenging for me? You know, all of those things when so often it's our own thought process that creates so many obstacles, so many challenges for us. I'm speaking for myself, very much for myself. You know, I see you nodding. You're with me.
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Filly
Yep yep yep.
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Nadine
Yeah. Many people will understand what we're talking about right now. You know I went and did the research. I was so interested in how many thoughts we have per day. Thousands and thousands of thousands of them. The speed that we think thousands of words per minute, way faster than we could ever speak because we have a negative bias and a confirmation bias.
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Nadine
The fact that our brains are skewed towards the negative in repetition, there can be a never ending loop. It can become such a habit for us, but that we also have the power to change it. That was great news when I found that out. You know, when Sensei Benny said to me, you can change your thinking, I literally burst into tears like a little kid and pulled on his shirt and I was like, do you promise?
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Nadine
I was only 22 years old, but at the time I literally I was like, wow, really? No one had ever explained it to me in a tangible way before that. You can change the way you think, which means you change the way you feel, which means you change the way you behave. Yeah. You know, that was a revelation to me.
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Nadine
So I went on a deep dive with it. So knowing that my greatest opponent was often myself, you again, using that metaphor, you know, in order to in order to climb in the metaphorical ring in life and fight for what we believe in, we have to have the courage to actually walk out there. And so often, you know, that happens not in the ring, in life, but in the dressing room, when it's just us and our hopes and dreams are out there intact.
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Nadine
But we're standing there full of doubt and fear, and we know the second we walk out in the dressing room, no one's going to see that doubt and fear anymore. And this is the mistake that people so often make, which is why, you know, I make my living as a professional speaker. What I love to do is walk out on the stage and take my armour off.
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Nadine
Because if you saw a picture of me winning a title, you would never know the level of fear, doubt, you know, hesitation that we all have. So what I like to do is take my armour off and say, this is how it feels right before you walk out there. That we get in our own way that we hold ourselves back, that we so often interpret the challenges we face mentally and emotionally as weakness in our own character, as something that we experience, that others don't experience.
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Nadine
So we beat ourselves up with things so often. So one of the biggest lessons I learned from training, especially getting through hard things in life, was I had to learn to change my thinking. Be not beat myself up so much. And instead of doing that, I had to learn to be in my own corner and show myself the respect I truly deserved instead of what I was programmed to do in life.
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Filly
Can can I dig in to that a little bit like I'm curious at that, that 22 year old you where it's just like, oh my gosh, really? I can change my thinking and you burst out crying like, what were you struggling with then? Was it was it the fear around going into a competition, or was it kind of like with a deeper DACA stuff happening, if you don't mind sharing?
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Nadine
Of course. You know, competing was easy because it wasn't life. It was a part of my sport, you know, but I didn't I had a little bumpy ride growing up. I don't know about you guys, but my life wasn't easy. So, you know, I had learned some difficult lessons along the way already. And, you know, Sensei Benny calls it the wound ology.
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Nadine
You know, we all have a little bag of wounds that we carry with us. For some people, they're tiny papercuts. You know, someone laughed at their sneakers in primary school, and they were embarrassed that day. And that becomes a wound not to minimise, because that can be really painful. You know, none of us like to experience rejection or isolation, but, you know, there are some things that we would consider small.
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Nadine
Other people wouldn't. But everyone has their own unique experience. So we all have a little bag of wounds that we carry with us and accumulate through life. If we don't heal them, they stay. So I had a wound ology. Everybody has one different size, different shape, different colour, but we all have it. Life is full contact.
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Nadine
Some people have full contact experiences earlier than others. But you know I'm sure you've heard that that song no one gets out of here life you know, it's life is intense. And my little life was intense. So I had a lot going on for me mentally and emotionally. I had a lot of work in healing that I had started doing that I'm still doing.
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Nadine
You know, as many people are. So yeah, it's just a part of recognising. You know, the my head wasn't the easiest place to be, and I thought it was just me. So doing the internal work with Sensei Benny and then learning and growing, you know, as you can see, I love to read 98% of what I read is non-fiction.
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Nadine
I love hearing people's stories. I love learning about what they're like mentally, emotionally, you know, and then discovering more tools that I can use and share with other people. So cool.
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Filly
So cancer came along. How many years ago was that?
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Nadine
Oh, that was 2013. If you're into lucky or unlucky numbers, it's very easy to remember 2013. Surprise! I got Hodgkin's lymphoma. Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So let's go. There was like I've got so many questions around that. First of all, because this is a health podcast as well. I'm curious, were there any signs or was it just a complete shock when you went to the doctor? And it's just like you have cancer?
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Nadine
Yeah, not my favourite day, I've got to admit it. You know, it was difficult timing because I am sure this would be interesting for you guys because of the belief system around it. I had a lot going on right before I was diagnosed. I was in a very stressful phase of life. One of the main things that was happening was my oldest brother, was passing away from lung cancer.
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Nadine
Oh, wow. So the six months before my diagnosis, he was terminal. So he was stage four with lung cancer. Didn't even smoke. Crazy thing. But he when he was diagnosed, he was given a terminal diagnosis at the same time. So there was no lead up for him. And there was no, possibility of recovery for him. So I went to a deeply stressful period, which is part of why, you know, I'm I'm qualified to write about fear and courage.
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Nadine
I have a lot of experience with both. It can be very difficult showing up for someone, you know, when they're going through their their illness and in that time, you know, I knew I was stressed, but I wasn't sick. So just after he was unwell, I put a backpack on my shoulder. Right after he passed away, a few days after he passed away, and I felt a tiny little half a marble lump behind my collarbone.
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Nadine
And that was the only sign. Yeah. So I was a little bit lean. Now I look back at pictures and go a little skinny, but, I was in a like a pig training phase, so I was meant to be quite lame but I did. It was a little, little skinny, but I thought it was stress because he just passed away.
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Nadine
So now I can see it might have actually, I might have been skinny because of what was happening with me. I was stage two already, so I had a tiny lump at my collarbone that was attached to a big cluster tumour in my chest. I couldn't say. So. I'm very grateful to him because as much as you know, I would have felt that lump at another time when I went to the doctor.
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Nadine
I'm a big fan of having a good GP that you've known for a long time. You know, I went to the doctor and I was like, what? This lump wasn't there. There's a strike we do in martial arts that goes right where that lump was. So I knew for a fact it wasn't there before. Thanks. Martial arts, you know.
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Nadine
So I said, look, it's probably an infection. Could just be a, you know, and I was like, I knew I had that feeling as soon as I found that lump because of what had just happened with my brother, I knew. But I started to talk myself out of it. Again, who's your greatest opponent? I started going.
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Nadine
Can't be. He had cancer. I had cancer at the same time. Can't be. What are the chances? That can't be it. But I also had a gut feeling and I'm a big fan also of listening to your gut. I would rather listen to my gut and be wrong nine out of ten times. But having had back to myself instead of ignoring my gut, not listening to that, that quiet voice of wisdom, which is why I've studied so much about our thinking.
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Nadine
Because our thinking is so fast, so frequent, so loud. It's like a loud speaker up there under pressure. And it's not positive so much at a time. Not because we have character flaws, because we're human beings. So, you know, knowing that voice in my head. But we also have that quiet voice of wisdom, that gut feeling, intuitive voice that I knew.
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Nadine
I knew I was sick even though I wasn't sick yet. So as soon as I started going through the diagnosis process, which took a couple of weeks, I started to get what they call BS symptoms. So things like a little rash on my tummy and, night sweats, having to have a sleep in the afternoon, which I'm not the kind of afternoon napping can person, or there's anything wrong with that.
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Nadine
I wish I was, but yeah, just things started to change very quickly as soon as I found that lump. So, it was a wild one.
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Filly
So, yeah. Then you went through chemo, and all the bits and pieces to get rid of the cancer and I would imagine that would have been really hard.
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Nadine
Yeah. I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't. It wasn't that good. My uncle's going through it right now, and I'm there. I'm like, I hear you, my brother. I'm like, that's not good. It's not fun, you know? It's it's a challenging thing. I had to have four months of chemo every two weeks, and they give you a month off to recover.
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Nadine
Then I had to have, 30 days of radiation. Yeah. So pretty intense. Coming out of it gave me chronic fatigue, a post cancer fatigue. So it's been 11 years. I've still got that. And you know, the way that I choose to approach the it's unusual, the oncologists are a bit confused by a, they're like,
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Nadine
We don't know why that's happening. Like the way that I take or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's meant to go away. And in my case it didn't go away. Right. From my research, there's correlation with lymphoma and long term fatigue. But like you know the poster in my little guy's room right now attitude is everything the way that I choose to look at it.
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Nadine
My belief system around it being tired is better than being dead. To me. So if I have to choose it stops me feeling sorry for myself. Let's put it that way. It's very frustrating. I want to be able to do what I used to do. I want to be able to. Why am I so tired? You know, that was a battle the first few years.
00:23:11:00 - 00:23:18:17
Nadine
Why would this go away? But I choose to look at it as if this is the price I pay. I pay it when we.
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Filly
So like for people listening they're probably experiencing symptoms. Maybe not necessarily cancer but definitely those chronic health issues exhaustion anxiety depression gut issues headaches, migraines. And it can feel like this never ending battle when you are living with that. What now? You probably already answered this. Like this is what got you through. It was your change in thinking what?
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Filly
What could be some really practical advice or some inquiry questions that someone could start asking themselves?
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Nadine
Well, I'll give you a I'll give you the, the belief system and then the practical if that's okay. Yeah. The belief system. You know, I'm a big fan of mantras, you know, and consciously choosing what you tell yourself, choosing a powerful message and using it in repetition to turn your belief system in a chosen direction, rather than knowing that 73% of our thinking is skewed to the negative.
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Nadine
You know it's designed to keep us alive and safe and all those good things. But, you know, it's like, I don't know about you guys, but did you get up this morning and be like, you're so amazing and good looking and smart. Yay!
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Chris
No.
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Nadine
No.
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Filly
Did I know it's just like, yay sleeping. Woo hoo!
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Nadine
Yeah, but we don't like if we're if our brains aren't getting us up and going and, What are they doing? Probably something else. It's just how we're skewed as humans, you know? So. But we can choose to tell ourselves different message. So. Coming out of my treatment, my life was and is different. My brain would love me to focus on everything that's been taken from me.
00:25:11:12 - 00:25:46:12
Nadine
All of the health and strength and six pack that I've lost and all those things, you know, that's that's how we operate. I don't want to live like that mentally, emotionally doesn't mean I haven't cried about it. Chelsea. It takes more courage to cry about it than than to push it down. Yeah. But you know I choose to tell myself very specific messages rather than focusing on what I haven't got, I focus on gratitude for what I do rather than focusing on what's been taken.
00:25:46:14 - 00:26:08:00
Nadine
I tell myself really clear things. So one of the messages I give myself about what I've been through and what I have to go through now, is that now I'm wide awake. I know we're not here forever. I know the health and the vitality and the opportunity and the connections and being with you guys right now will be over after a certain amount of time.
00:26:08:00 - 00:26:28:01
Nadine
So I don't want to pretend like I don't want to go back to sleep. Pretend like, you know, I've got clean water sitting in front of me in the glass. That's awesome. So many people don't have that opportunity today. So looking for the good. So I tell myself I'm wide awake. You know that there's no time to waste.
00:26:29:09 - 00:26:45:19
Nadine
Say yes to opportunity. Say yes to you know what you need. So the practical part of my answer is I had to learn to rest. Now, for some people, that will sound really easy and obvious for me. I didn't know how.
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Filly
Most of the listeners are probably like that too.
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Nadine
Yeah. My people I'm high fiving you know. Yeah. Which you know I've had a little burnout in life. I think that, you know, there's definitely folks like me who are a little driven, who are getting their self-worth from achievement. Who, you know, it's it's a complicated, deeply rooted thing that we do to ourselves. But, you know, I had to learn to slow down.
00:27:16:23 - 00:27:37:19
Nadine
I had to learn, as I said before, the show myself, the respect I deserved, rather than treating myself in a way that I was programmed to by life, I had to learn to slow my role, be gentle with myself the way I was with other people. I had to learn that that sleep is awesome instead of inconvenient.
00:27:37:21 - 00:27:40:12
Nadine
You know, getting me in.
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Filly
The way of my to do list.
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Nadine
I had to learn to go for a walk. I know that might sound a little bit weird, but my training had always been high intensity, you know, and endurance. And about a lot of it was experiencing suffering in a productive way. So I so associated pushing my body and exercise with achievement, and instead I had to flip it around and learn the opposite side of it, which was around nurturing and comfort and being gentle.
00:28:12:09 - 00:28:16:18
Nadine
It was a novel concept to me.
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Filly
There's so much that you're saying that I'm like, I see me in your story. I definitely was. Well, this is prior to kids, but also before my body kind of like did weird things and had my burnout episodes. But definitely I was like the fit girl. I'm like, I'm someone I can do, like 20 pull ups without even training 20%.
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Filly
It was at least.
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Chris
Quite.
00:28:41:16 - 00:29:04:15
Filly
Impressive. I was at least ten. Remember at the playground? The playground? Yeah. And you and your friend were like, doing for lots. And I'm like, I've never done a pull up. That, you know, like in you pack and all sorts of stuff. But then also those busy patterns of high overachieving, overdoing, getting the worth externally. And that was there.
00:29:04:15 - 00:29:29:19
Filly
That was probably my biggest learning was to end. That is what I needed in order for my body to heal. And I say this with lots of our clients, too. Is that surrendering? It's like, hey, what are you actually trying to tell me? Body? And if I listen, things are going to be better on the other side.
00:29:29:21 - 00:29:34:16
Nadine
Listening to our body instead of yelling at it and demanding things from it. Yeah.
00:29:34:18 - 00:29:59:17
Filly
Yeah yeah yeah. I, I know, like, in in the way that you've been talking with martial arts and the fighting, I kind of have a little slightly different saying with the body is that the body isn't fighting against you, it's fighting for you. Actually, it's very in line with what you're saying. We're always fighting for something that's important for either ourselves or for our loved ones, and our body's never fighting against us.
00:29:59:17 - 00:30:05:07
Filly
It's always fighting for our best interest.
00:30:06:14 - 00:30:27:07
Nadine
I agree in in this busy world where, you know, so many people are working and they've got kids and they're doing all of these things like and trying to keep up with their LinkedIn profile and then their this and they've got to go to the shops and you know, we demand so much of ourselves, that, you know, especially I live in Sydney.
00:30:27:07 - 00:30:47:19
Nadine
It's fast paced. You know, I was in an airport yesterday. That's a wild ride. Like there's a lot happening. People are stressed in life. Yeah. You know, to actually slow it all down a little bit takes a lot of courage. Took me years to learn. And it goes against my nature.
00:30:47:21 - 00:30:54:16
Chris
I was just about to say something like that. Nature, identity. It sounds like you.
00:30:54:16 - 00:30:56:01
Nadine
You and.
00:30:56:01 - 00:30:57:10
Filly
The gut. The gut instinct.
00:30:57:10 - 00:31:11:01
Chris
You were the type of person. Type of girl who did the thing, right? You you got in the ring, you did the did the stuff. You punched the people, you got punched by the people, and, you know.
00:31:11:02 - 00:31:15:13
Nadine
You patiently, occasionally. You don't recommend it. Yeah.
00:31:15:15 - 00:31:35:00
Chris
And and that became, I'm imagining that became a, an identity for you. Right. And then and then all of a sudden, it's just the power can't do the things. And you are the person who does the things.
00:31:35:10 - 00:31:36:10
Nadine
That wasn't fun.
00:31:36:12 - 00:32:00:03
Chris
Yeah, it's it's crazy, isn't it? That identity. Loss or or, you know, I'm we're just not sure of who we are anymore. Would would you be able to speak a little bit to, to to that process that, that you went through and, and where you came out the other end of that?
00:32:00:05 - 00:32:25:21
Nadine
Yeah, it's it was really insightful. Chris, I love to you. You know, the it's really hard when all of the things that make you, you feel like they've been taken from you, which led me to questioning you. Who am I if I'm not those things, who am I if I can't do those things? And the year after my treatment was harder than the treatment, and I found out later, that's really common.
00:32:25:23 - 00:32:53:00
Nadine
You know, when you ring the bell to end the treatment, I started crying. I didn't stop crying for a while. I hadn't been crying that much during the treatment because you're in survival mode. So coming out of it I found out it's really common. People fall apart afterwards because when you're actively doing something about what's going on, you feel powerful, like you can have an impact, like you're doing something, even if it's what they're making you do, you're still doing something.
00:32:53:00 - 00:33:16:00
Nadine
You're actively engaged in the process. Once you come out of that, I think of it like, you know, whitewater rapids and you get spat out into like a placid lake and all of a sudden you left with what? For me, I couldn't exercise, so not knowing near the same way. And I remember talking to Sensei Benny and saying, if I can't do it the way I used to do it, I don't want to do it.
00:33:16:02 - 00:33:34:04
Nadine
You know, I was having a little tante. Lastly, you know I don't want to do it if I can't, because I kept butting up against trying to make myself do what I used to do the way I used to do it. And I would lose that battle. And I was used to being able to force myself into make my body do what I wanted it to do.
00:33:34:06 - 00:33:53:19
Nadine
And then all of a sudden I was losing that battle and it rocked me. Like you said, it rocked my identity, my sense of self, my positioning in the world. Where to from here? And I was pretty devastated at the time, if I'm honest. Like, I really didn't know. How am I going to rebuild my life? Who am I going to be now?
00:33:53:21 - 00:34:15:14
Nadine
What am I going to do for a living? Because I had a quite a physical job, was teaching other people, you know, so I was struggling with it, but I was still trying to make myself work the hours I was working before I found out I couldn't. I was still trying to do the training I did before so that I couldn't.
00:34:15:16 - 00:34:20:14
Nadine
I believe if you don't like it, you have to change it.
00:34:20:16 - 00:34:21:16
Chris
Like it. That's good.
00:34:21:16 - 00:34:29:11
Nadine
If you don't like it, change it. If you don't change it, you're stuck there.
00:34:29:13 - 00:34:49:19
Nadine
I don't mean change it as in make it go back how it was, because that was beyond my ability. I mean, you must change something. Something mentally, something emotionally or something that you're physically doing. So for me, it wasn't let's change it and go back to who we used to be. It was change what I'm doing. So since I've been it was like, do five minutes and be grateful.
00:34:49:19 - 00:35:18:03
Nadine
You can do five minutes. Go for walk. I was like, walk is an exercise. Yes it is. Oh apparently it is. But it you know, I had to re learn how to be someone different. So if you don't like it, change it. And that was what ended up, you know, one year after I finished treatment was what found me on stage at the Sydney Opera House doing a Ted talk when I had zero public speaking experience.
00:35:18:03 - 00:35:37:17
Nadine
Oh, wow. They made me the closing speaker for Sydney. 2500 people, live streamed to thousands more. I had, my hair was still growing back from the chemo. It was that recent, you know. So last thing I wanted was a bunch of people staring at me physically because I wasn't comfortable with what I was saying in the mirror.
00:35:37:17 - 00:36:02:14
Nadine
Yet. And, you know, I had short term memory loss from the chemo still and no cue cards. And the reason that I went out on that stage wasn't because I was trying to create a new career for myself, for I thought I had a great message to share. It wasn't that at all, it was that one of my students, had said to me, would you really think about doing a talk?
00:36:02:16 - 00:36:18:14
Nadine
The things that you talk to us about in training, the mindset piece of it, the emotional piece of it, the tools that you give us. Would you ever think about sharing that with people publicly? And I was I didn't think anyone would be interested if they weren't martial artists. She had a very interesting corporate career, you know, just Mila.
00:36:18:14 - 00:36:40:01
Nadine
She, she became the deputy mayor of Sydney at 33. 10s of courage does work very well. You know, having the courage to to try things. You know, she could see that other people would understand the concepts that we worked on in martial arts, that they would apply to other people's lives. So she made this suggestion as to why would I be interested?
00:36:40:03 - 00:37:01:22
Nadine
I decided that I needed to change something. I didn't know what it was, I didn't know how I was going to do it, but I knew if I didn't say yes to things, nothing would change. I would continue feeling like everything had been taken. Yeah. So I just was like, yeah, maybe. Do you think I'd be interested?
00:37:02:00 - 00:37:21:20
Nadine
Next thing you know, you know, Doctor Charlie Teo, the neurosurgeon, spoke before me like all these people that were like proper grown ups and had done talks before, and I just trotted out there and just shared from the heart, you know, I took my armour off. You know, my mum, I'm the I'm this thing. I'm I changed it.
00:37:21:22 - 00:37:39:03
Nadine
I didn't go out there as a person. I used to present to the world as I went out there as my most genuine on the couch watching Netflix in my, Trekkies self and shared from the heart. And that's what changed my mind. Yeah, it's the reason I'm chatting to you two today. Super cool.
00:37:39:05 - 00:37:59:03
Filly
So the title of that talk, I think, as well as the title of your book is 10s of Courage. Yep. What does that actually mean? Because, like, I mean, like, intellectually I'm like, oh, yeah, I just like, stay still for ten minutes and like, do the thing. I'm pretty sure there's something underneath that. That or is it that simple?
00:37:59:05 - 00:38:22:13
Nadine
You know, I was I recently was thinking about, you know, an interview, a radio interview that I did when the book first came out. And this interview, I, I went and saw Grace tame speak the other night, and she was talking about how the media is not always on your side. And I just got me thinking about this interview when I went on the radio that said, oh, so all it takes is 10s of courage and everything's great.
00:38:22:15 - 00:38:45:03
Nadine
And I was like, I've only life work that way. No, that's not what I'm saying. It's not just 10s of courage. And then there's magic that happens. Yeah, sometimes it's like that. 10s of courage. Very easy to understand intellectually. Not always so easy to live. How do we know we've all missed opportunities? We've all kicked ourselves afterwards and said, why didn't I just say the thing?
00:38:45:03 - 00:39:12:06
Nadine
Why didn't I just say, I'll do it or why didn't I, we know that feeling. So the way I explain it, tensing the courage is a difference between starting and not starting. It's the difference between staying stuck and just giving it a whirl. Why is it so important? Because. So, you know, so often it's actually us holding ourselves back.
00:39:12:08 - 00:39:34:03
Nadine
It's us stuck in the in the muck of I don't like it here, but I don't feel like I can change it. And going on that emotional loop rather than, what if I just try one little thing for 10s? You can do anything for 10s. You know, it's it can be as simple as, I'm going to send that text to a friend, I'm going to say sorry to my partner.
00:39:34:03 - 00:40:00:18
Nadine
I'm going to ask for what I truly want and need. I'm going to I'm going to decline that meeting this afternoon because I'm really tired. You know, I'm going to not eat what I want to eat today, but instead eat what is best for me to eat. You know, I'm going to make positive, good choices. I'm going to do a little something with really good intentions, either for myself or someone else.
00:40:00:20 - 00:40:21:11
Nadine
It stops us getting stuck in places that aren't serving us. So it's just having a little burst of courage. I like that it's only 10s because I'm sure you've heard that. That saying you eat an elephant one bite at a time. Yeah. I don't have the capacity to sign up to brave for the rest of my life.
00:40:21:11 - 00:40:44:13
Nadine
I don't know about you guys. I probably don't have the capacity to be like I'm going to do everything with full courage today for 24 hours. You know, big commitment type. Right. But could you be brave just for a second. So 10s is long enough to say a sentence, send a text, start a conversation, literally walk in the door and do something for the first time.
00:40:44:13 - 00:41:00:08
Nadine
Like you. You want to do that, that gym class. But you've always been too nervous. Just walk in and stand there because if you never walk in the door, you'll never get in the room. So the way I explain it is, if you don't walk out of the dressing room, you will lose every single match that's in that metaphorical ring for you.
00:41:00:10 - 00:41:21:01
Nadine
Like, we have to have the courage just to walk out of our comfort zone and give ourselves the chance to experience something different. But you know, so it's, it's that thing I've been stuck in, in places for far longer than I care to admit. That was we all get stuck at times. You know, it's part of being human.
00:41:21:03 - 00:41:37:10
Nadine
It's just great to have this little tool in your back pocket, that you can pull out and go, I, I visualise that throwing a card down as if you were winning a poker competition. Something. Not that I've ever played poker publicly, but you know that it's that idea of, like, I'm just going to do it and then you just do it.
00:41:38:10 - 00:41:53:21
Nadine
I also call it down the chute. You know when you're at the top of the waterslide, because we've all been on a waterslide recently. But yeah, you know when you're like I'm going to go, I'm going to go. And there's a certain point where you have to let go of the rails and you reach that point of like, no return, like I'm doing it.
00:41:54:18 - 00:42:05:15
Nadine
It's that key little piece right before you go down the chute where it's so easy to back out. It's so easy to talk yourself out of it. The starting pace.
00:42:05:17 - 00:42:29:04
Filly
I have two things in my mind right now. One, we've just closed doors. 12 ending 40 burnout method program. At the time of recording. And it probably be like a month or so since when this goes live that we had a lot of conversations, and a lot of it is around like self-doubt and fear. It's like, not not the right, you know, there'll be the, the I just mean like rabbit ease excuses.
00:42:29:06 - 00:42:52:13
Filly
It's all happening underneath unconsciously. I don't have enough time or I can't afford that at the moment. Too scary. Oh, I don't want to look like, can I just have a Band-Aid approach? You know, so there's a lot of these things that can block people from even taking that first step to actually reach out for the help to heal and to start the healing journey.
00:42:52:15 - 00:43:00:22
Filly
So I like that 10s of courage. It's like, press that button, dude. Oh my gosh. I mean.
00:43:01:00 - 00:43:15:09
Nadine
The way I explain is people is like, what happens if you do nothing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Nothing. Woo! Awesome. Is that really what you want, or is that just the part of you that's programmed to keep you safe operating? Yeah.
00:43:15:11 - 00:43:39:05
Filly
I loved what you were talking about earlier. Oh, when you found the lump. And it's like my head said one thing, but my gut said the other. So when someone's taking that next step to do the thing, the 10s of courage, like, it sounds to me like that's kind of like a gut instinct. Do the thing or be the person.
00:43:39:07 - 00:43:50:08
Filly
Do you find, like, if someone was to listen to their head, all they got? Or it's just like, whatever, whatever might feel good to help them get to the next step.
00:43:50:10 - 00:44:10:05
Nadine
I think there are no mistakes. The way that I was taught there are no mistakes is only experience. So sometimes, even when things don't work out or you didn't listen to yourself and you learnt that lesson or you did, something was really good intentions and it blew up in your face. You know, there's it's only experience in life and in martial arts.
00:44:10:05 - 00:44:28:17
Nadine
You know, there are there are black belts out there walking around in the world who's never actually had anyone make physical contact with them. There's some martial art styles where you barely touch each other. They have a lot of information. They don't have a lot of experience, not with the deep, dark parts of it. So what happens in a boxing ring?
00:44:28:17 - 00:44:46:05
Nadine
I don't know if in boxing ring, but, you know, you can get two big, burly, tough guys in there and they will get frustrated with each other. They'll start to have emotions. They'll start to it's like a microwave for your emotions in there. Yeah. You know, someone punches you in the face. You're going to get upset about it.
00:44:46:05 - 00:45:11:04
Nadine
If not, we're looking at you like, whoa, you connected. You know, fear, anger, frustration, anxiety and the emotions that come up in the ring under pressure. They mirror the emotions that come up in our families and businesses and the pressure I believe, you know, so there is a certain point where. You know, I have to look at it and go, even if I'm wrong, I will gain experience.
00:45:11:06 - 00:45:14:18
Filly
Yep. There's no failure, only feedback.
00:45:14:20 - 00:45:40:03
Nadine
Yeah. There's a saying that, some of you know, Conor McGregor, he's a famous UFC fighter. You know, his coach. Created a book called Win or Learn. It's actually a Nelson Mandela quote, believe it or not. But, yeah, there's this concept of win or learn, which means there are there are no mistakes. Any experience. Like we can't get everything right in life, but we will learn from it.
00:45:40:05 - 00:46:00:05
Nadine
But what people tend to do is beat themselves up from it instead of flipping it and changing their thinking and going, that didn't work out. I know not to do that again or that wasn't quite the result I'm looking for. How do I tweak it? What else can I add to it? Rather than letting our brains take us on a ride of it didn't work out.
00:46:00:10 - 00:46:17:19
Nadine
Why did I even try? I'm so silly. I did it again. You know, all those things that we wish our voice in our head was like, great job. Do it next time you. Yeah. Look, a little pom pom people, like, visualised in my head, cheerleaders. But so many of us don't have that person in our heads.
00:46:17:19 - 00:46:22:21
Nadine
And, you know, life's hard enough without beating ourselves up as well. Yeah.
00:46:22:23 - 00:47:01:07
Filly
I love that. I had some conversations. I think it was last week where there was a narrative where it's like I've tried so many things and nothing's helped, and then it's almost like they some people stay stuck or paralysed in that. But then, like if you're stuck, it's not a nice place to be. And then, I mean, there's so many beliefs and stories that are collected along the way that it's like, oh, maybe I'm the person that isn't supposed to be, well, or maybe I'm actually too broken to be well, but really it's it's just stepping up again and trying again.
00:47:01:09 - 00:47:20:16
Filly
And it and it might be that the thing that someone's trying to get the result in, like, I'm actually really grateful that you shared the, this ongoing fatigue thing. Now for someone you know, they can heal from that, but also like what you've taken away from that is that I'm still happy.
00:47:20:18 - 00:47:42:19
Nadine
And I work hard to be happy. You know, it didn't come that, you know, it wasn't free. We say like nothing comes for free. And I don't mean financially. Like I work hard on myself. I read constantly, I talk about things, I ask for help. You know, none of those things were easy to to learn. You know, I speak to a psychologist, I speak to my sensei.
00:47:42:19 - 00:48:08:17
Nadine
Is all of these things that, you know, we all need good people in our corner. Whether that's I listen to a podcast today. I love a good podcast. I highly recommend yours. So, you know, a podcast, a book, a friend, a professional, someone, something that is energy in for you. I think so much of us, you know, we fight with ourselves, we fight with our bodies.
00:48:08:17 - 00:48:29:10
Nadine
We fight with the life. I had to learn to accept that was such a big part of it. It's just learning to accept that today. Can I change it? No. If I spend the entire day fighting myself and the situation, will I be exhausted and upset by the end of it? And I don't mean lay down and just go.
00:48:29:10 - 00:48:35:17
Nadine
There's nothing I can do. If you cannot change the circumstance, what if you just super kind to yourself today.
00:48:35:19 - 00:48:36:15
Chris
00:48:36:17 - 00:48:52:16
Nadine
If you can't change your circumstance. What if you did something nice for someone else to stop you feeling sorry for yourself. You know it's like it's the I not that I'm an angel but I was walking through Brisbane on the way like from finishing my job, I got to go to the airport yesterday and I'm all caught up in my thinking.
00:48:52:16 - 00:49:12:16
Nadine
And I walked past the guy selling the big issue and he was really nicely dressed and our brains are negative. So my first thought was like, why is he so nicely dressed? Is should he actually be selling? And then I caught myself thinking like, what are you thinking? So I turned around and went back and bought this big issue and gave him a tip and, you know, told him he looked really nice in his outfit.
00:49:12:16 - 00:49:35:08
Nadine
And when I spoke to him, I saw why why he was he was selling the big issue. You know, our brains are so judgy of ourselves and everyone around us. It's how they designed, you know? So I just had to. I have to change my thinking all day, every day. Not that I'm a bad person. Not that I think nasty stuff, but I'm just aware that I'm.
00:49:35:08 - 00:49:54:08
Nadine
You know, there's that saying. I'm the thinker of my thoughts. Don't believe everything you read. Like don't believe everything your head tells you. We have so much ability to change it. If you're in a fight with your own head all day, every day as well as experiencing physical challenges. And that's exhausting on a number of levels. Yeah.
00:49:54:08 - 00:50:18:15
Nadine
So acceptance turning things, turning them towards the positive, looking for the good and not paving ourselves up, not beating other people up. You know, just trying to keep it in a positive way, in a good way. And like I said, it's not free. It does take work. But I think it's I think it's the most important work because, you know, if I'm in, I'm in remission.
00:50:18:15 - 00:50:44:18
Nadine
Hopefully I'll live to be 100. But, you know, I know we all will, but you never know. Like, if this was our last week on Earth. Month on earth, here on earth, would you want to spend it being mean to yourself? Making this the challenges you're already facing harder. Or being on your own team. So I in accepting the changes in my life, I then took action and changed a lot about my life.
00:50:44:20 - 00:50:49:03
Nadine
Yeah. I had to learn to slow down.
00:50:49:05 - 00:51:11:05
Nadine
I'm going through a slowdown right now. You know actively doing that. And I said to to my wife this morning I feel like I'm being naughty. Let's yeah I feel because I'm my character isn't to slow down. My character is to push. So even all these years into it, when I'm choosing to do something differently to my autopilot, I feel like I'm being naughty.
00:51:11:07 - 00:51:33:12
Nadine
But it's it's a giggle. It's a oh, instead of you should be doing that authoritarian we have in our head so often. So I've changed so much about my life. You know, I wanted to move near the ocean. It's fantastic for a recovery. You know, there's studies I'm sure you've heard about, with some being able to see a tree out of a hospital window instead of a cement wall.
00:51:33:12 - 00:51:48:03
Nadine
You know, you heal so much faster. Yeah. People take less medication, all that stuff. So, you know, slowing down, being their nature. I changed so many things about my life and I haven't regretted any of those things.
00:51:48:05 - 00:51:49:06
Filly
So good.
00:51:49:07 - 00:51:53:14
Nadine
It's awesome. Do you have anything.
00:51:53:16 - 00:52:11:05
Chris
I really I really resonate with, with what you just said, that I think I butchered this in my notepad. You'll quote I'll have to listen back to the replay. If this is your last day on earth, are you doing what brings you happiness? So, that's what I wrote down in my book. I'll listen to your exact words later.
00:52:11:23 - 00:52:31:15
Chris
I really like that. And I think so often I talk to people and they're just stuck in a story that they have to be the way they are. They've got to keep doing things or they've got their lot has been determined. And there's just there's yeah, they're being punched in the face and they're just standing there taking it.
00:52:31:16 - 00:52:53:04
Chris
And they don't have to want it. It doesn't have to be a fight. You can just you can move close to the beach. And if that's not an option for you right now or what's your next step, what's it have the dream. And and you know, there's little things you can do to reinvent yourself. And those those opportunities are everywhere.
00:52:53:06 - 00:53:22:00
Chris
And it makes me really fired up when when people, what's the worst shut down and and and think that they can't do they can't do it, that they're stuck. That just lets me up. I'm I'm so passionate about that. I'm excited to to be able to. I have not read your book yet, so I'm excited to to to have a have a read and and get into it.
00:53:22:02 - 00:53:22:22
Chris
Yeah.
00:53:23:00 - 00:53:24:12
Filly
Talking about the book.
00:53:24:12 - 00:53:41:12
Nadine
Something I particularly find it well, you know, the, the easiest way is if you go to my website, Nadine champion.com and if you want to either get a copy for yourself or even be in someone else's corner and order them a copy, you can actually tell me what you'd like me to write, and I'll sign it personally.
00:53:41:12 - 00:54:05:18
Nadine
Write them a personalised message and send it off to them. Cool. You know, the one of the chapters in the book, Chris, is called When You Live, and I never want to forget that feeling when they were diagnosing me and there was a certain test I had to do where they locked me in a lead lined room by myself while I had a radioactive isotope thing going through me, and I was.
00:54:05:18 - 00:54:24:18
Nadine
I didn't have any music. I didn't have anything to distract me. I had to sit in there for an hour. Yeah, well, and that hour was one of the heaviest hours of my life because I hadn't been diagnosed yet and my brother had just died. So I was thinking I might die in my 30s. What am. Yeah. Like I was really healthy.
00:54:24:20 - 00:54:28:07
Nadine
How did this happen? And I went in a spiral.
00:54:28:09 - 00:54:29:12
Chris
00:54:29:14 - 00:54:54:11
Nadine
You know what is. So that was a very painful feeling. But that's where the wider weight comes from. Yeah. I never want to forget that feeling. So, you know, it's not taking things for granted. It's looking for gratitude. It's not focusing on the negative. It's remembering. So what if things are taken from me? I didn't die, you know, like I'm still here.
00:54:54:11 - 00:55:20:19
Nadine
Is it different? Yes. But have I done everything I can to make it the best that I can make it? I have a great life. I'm very lucky. But I made my own luck. Yeah, yeah, and I continue to. I'm not waiting for it to happen. And I'm not focusing on what for full transparency. When I realise I've gotten stuck in a negative thought pattern, which we all do, I try to do the work to get out of it.
00:55:20:19 - 00:55:43:14
Nadine
I do do the work to get out of it because I don't want to live like that. No one's come in to save me. I don't know about you, but you know, I don't want to have to experience the precious time that I have here. In a way that doesn't feel good. Even if I can't control this external circumstance, I can control how I respond to it.
00:55:43:16 - 00:56:03:12
Nadine
So you know that thing in my book, I never want to forget that feeling of what, what would I do if this was my last year? Because we don't know how long we've got and we all know that, but we pretend like, not me. It's not. We don't. Look at it now. Me, I'm going to be here forever and so is everyone I know and love.
00:56:03:14 - 00:56:22:07
Nadine
But that's not the reality of it, unfortunately. So that can be the most depressing sort. Whatever. Or it can be few. Yeah, it can be fuel to make sure you say the same. You know, you reach out to that person that you've been thinking about connecting with. You ask someone to mentor you. You say yes to doing the program, the course.
00:56:22:07 - 00:56:46:03
Nadine
You know, you learn more. You read the book. You you do all the things because otherwise it's so easy to do nothing. What happens if you do nothing? Nothing. Yeah. And when it's not good, when you're at that moment, if you don't do anything to change it, even mentally, you get more of the same result. So the point of what I'm saying is we are so powerful.
00:56:47:09 - 00:57:07:21
Nadine
And it's really hard when you feel disempowered because you can't control the circumstances. But we're so powerful you know. So we can change our words. We're using, we can change, you know the cheerleader and volume in our head. We can change who we connect with. We can change what we're reading. You know, I personally I'm off the news right now.
00:57:07:23 - 00:57:29:08
Nadine
You know, just for my nervous system. I'm like, okay, but I needed someone in my corner to point out I was getting a little addicted to the news cycle. Is that good for you? I was like, leave me alone. But then I think the next step was I think you're right. Because you know what? We absorb it effects.
00:57:29:08 - 00:57:51:19
Nadine
I'm not telling you guys anything you don't know. It affects our physical experience. Yeah. So just being really trying to be as aware as possible. And if something isn't great, change it. Yeah. Even if it's just for 10s. Just try something new. Clothes. Close your phone and don't look the news for the next 10s. Yeah, you know, you never know what might change.
00:57:51:19 - 00:58:13:17
Nadine
And you build on things, you know. So it's never too late to change things. It's never too late to change your thinking it. And you know those little bursts of courage have created. You know my life now is better than my life. Pre-Cancer. It happened 10s at a time. And I know that people kind of like that radio interviewer.
00:58:13:19 - 00:58:40:06
Nadine
It just takes 10s to every the most beautiful things in my life. I can attribute back to a little burst of courage. And, you know, one of my one of the stories I love to tell is one of my students. He's got an Irish guy named James Duffy, lives over in Ireland. He lived in Australia. And as he was moving home, he had all of these internal training concepts, these tools, like 10s courage in his mind.
00:58:40:08 - 00:59:01:18
Nadine
And he's walking through an airport overseas, and he walked past who he describes as the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. And he walked past and he kept walking, and he heard my little voice in his mind, like I didn't have any sort of voice in my mind saying, it's just 10s of courage. So he about faced. He walked back over and he said, look, I don't want to I don't want to bother you.
00:59:01:18 - 00:59:21:20
Nadine
Please forgive me, but I just wanted to let you know. When I saw you sitting here, I thought you very beautiful. Oh. And, Yeah, he said he had the courage and confidence. How scary is that? But, you know, he went over and he introduced himself to that, to that lady. She was from Mexico. They were both transiting through another country back to their home countries.
00:59:21:22 - 00:59:45:21
Nadine
And, you know, that little burst of courage, he just turned around and went and said a sentence to her, then I'm married. They have two beautiful boys, a daughter as well. You know, it's a little burst of courage to do different actions. She could have shot him down, but she didn't. So he changed his whole future and her whole future.
00:59:45:21 - 01:00:09:16
Nadine
She lives in Ireland now with him to one tiny, tiny action. And my life's been the same. You know, I could. I could give you 20 stories like that. One tiny little thing completely changed my future. So that's why I'm so passionate now in my second life, about, you know, I I'm so lucky I get I got to write a book and share, you know, the, the potential of this little tool.
01:00:09:16 - 01:00:33:07
Nadine
And, you know, I get to go and speak to companies and organisations all the time, about what you can do, with a little burst of your spirit, you know, the best self coming forward in that moment. And like I said, there's no mistakes. If she had have shot James down in the airport, at least he had the courage to try.
01:00:34:19 - 01:00:53:00
Nadine
His life would be completely different now if he didn't turn around that day. So it's the work that you do in yourself. And I want to congratulate your listeners, because in listening to your podcast and doing your programs, they're changing their own lives, even on the days it doesn't feel like it, you know? Oh, I wish it would work out for me today.
01:00:53:00 - 01:01:10:13
Nadine
I want to feel better. All those things, you're in your own corner, and you're not alone. You have other people in your corner that's, in my experience, one of the most powerful things that you can do for yourself. And you never know where it's going to get you. You never know what that little thing you do today can turn into.
01:01:10:15 - 01:01:26:14
Nadine
So I think it's wild. I love, I love what can happen. And and I love that people doing good work like you guys, you know, you're in other people's corner and you're changing lives and I'm sure people say thank you to you, but I think it's awesome. Thank you, thank you. This is for you two. Such a good.
01:01:26:14 - 01:01:38:18
Filly
Conversation. Got a little tea? You actually made me cry at the end. Did we say at the start? Oh, no one's going to cry during this one. I think I cried when the man who got married to his like.
01:01:38:20 - 01:01:40:08
Nadine
The woman in the beautiful song.
01:01:40:10 - 01:01:41:22
Filly
So cool.
01:01:42:00 - 01:02:05:02
Nadine
Isn't it beautiful? There's so many. I so many stories like that, you know, it's wild what can happen. But yeah, that's why I love being someone who reminds people we are powerful. The smallest of sort feeling, action words. It can have such a huge impact. And I think when you're having a physical experience that feels disempowering, it's easy to forget that.
01:02:05:04 - 01:02:19:21
Nadine
Yeah. So sometimes if we make it not about us, we make it about someone else. We can see how much ability we have to to change things for other people. And then all you can do slip it in and aim it at yourself. Emma Watson so.
01:02:19:21 - 01:02:29:04
Filly
Good. I'm going to put it in the show notes. It's a link to your book in your website so that if people can read the book or reach out to you, they will find you.
01:02:29:06 - 01:02:38:14
Nadine
Yeah. And if you want to get more, more courageous people around you to have that conversation with, you can share my Ted talk on your social media. Yes, it's on YouTube, you know.
01:02:38:14 - 01:02:39:23
Filly
And for sure.
01:02:40:01 - 01:02:57:04
Nadine
And, you know, then you you can have that conversation with your friends that you might not otherwise be able to start. And pass it back and forward. 10s courage. Why don't you go and ask him out or you know I'm going to go for that first walk. Do you want to come. Yeah, yeah. Because courage is contagious.
01:02:57:06 - 01:03:02:08
Filly
So good. Thank you so much Nadine. It's been awesome chatting.
01:03:02:10 - 01:03:06:23
Nadine
My pleasure. Thanks for having me on guys.
01:03:07:01 - 01:03:17:03
Filly
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01:03:17:05 - 01:03:43:04
Chris
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01:03:43:05 - 01:03:43:17
Chris
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