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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello everybody. This is a Filly. How you go in I am. I always start off these days interviews. I am so excited. But I am so excited. I actually really love having a podcast and this by far is my most favourite format of an episode today. We are so honoured to have the wonderful Fiona Foreman who is one of our clients.
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Filly
She has recently graduated from our ending Body Burn out method program and she's coming on to share her story today about how she got her spark back, found her flow, and is finally overcoming years of very debilitating chronic fatigue. So when Fiona first started working with us, she'd been struggling with chronic fatigue fatigue for decades. Like literally one out of ten energy levels.
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Filly
She was not coping very well in bed a lot. She also had really bad brain fog, chronic body pain, headaches, and also was experiencing a racing mind that kept Fiona feeling busy even though her body couldn't keep up so she could never really relaxed, never really surrender into the rest that her body was craving, even though she was like in bed and asleep for many hours, Fiona was a slow and steady healer.
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Filly
I love experiencing our clients and the different ways that they move through our program. Some, I like fast and wholehearted and like get in and get in remarkable transformations in as little as a few months. Others are like more slow and steady and methodical and, moving at their own pace, implementing small pieces as as capacity builds.
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Filly
And this was definitely Fiona's case. So, you know, someone started working with us at only one out of ten energy. This time I only so much capacity one can one can have to move forward at a certain amount of pace. But over 12 months, we watched her energy levels increase. She is now at seven out of ten, which is pretty awesome.
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Filly
Her body pain is finally reducing, and she has reprogrammed deeper dysfunctional beliefs about herself and gave herself permission to flow, which is where the real healing started happening. And I love these real life, stories. They're super special. I actually called them evidence collecting, and this is a term we use inside out method with our clients a lot that the more evidence that you can collect that healing is possible, the more you can hear and see this through others, the more it can become possible for you.
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Filly
It's literally feeding your brain and your unconscious mind evidence that you too can heal. So the more you can hear and see these stories, the more it becomes possible for you to. And that's really why Fiona is coming on to share her story today, to spread hope and healing for others. As you listen to the episode today, you'll hear that Fiona loves music and she actually has a really cool business.
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Filly
But I wanted to give a shout out to. She talks about it inside the program, and it was a big part of her healing, being able to align with what her heart really wanted and it's also awesome to see as her. As her health has improved, so has her business. Her business is growing, which is really cool when you address the deepest root, it's not just the body that gets healthy, but it's also relationships.
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Filly
It's work, it's business, it's finances. Everything changes. So Fiona Foreman is an Australian producer working out of her self designed and built commercial grade studio, Red Robin Recording, located in the island state of Tasmania. Fiona loves working with authentic artists with great songs and a great voice. He loves to tell their story through the power of music. She can take a song from a simple voice memo through to a fully produced distributable track, whether that be for streaming platforms, CD or vinyl, or for pitching to licensing opportunities.
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Filly
She has recorded several EP's with local bands and juries, but has worked primarily remotely with artists around the world who are aiming at music in film, TV and advertising while staying true to their artistic vision. Fiona's strengths are groove based, guitar infused pop genres ranging from acoustic folk folk through to indie pop, electric pop and pop rock, with many tracks represented by several sync licensing agencies and libraries.
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Filly
The track count is growing and the placements are starting to flow. Oh, actually really quickly. Announcement which you might have heard the last couple of weeks that next in a few weeks will be holding a E3 free day live experience coaching experience called unravel perfectionism and End Body Burnout. We touch on Fiona's perfectionism or you doing type patterns in this conversation today.
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Filly
And if you really love listening to this story and love our holistic root cause approach, where we go beyond just treating the physical, which is also important. And Fiona talks about that, but also deeply looking at the root causes that cause the body systems to burn out in the first place. Definitely sign up to our three day live event, unravel perfectionism and end body burnout.
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Filly
On day one will be looking at body systems that a very commonly burnt out when you're running perfectionism patterns on day two will be looking at deepest root causes that actually cause the patterns in the first place. And on day three, we'll move to food and move, and how you can support your body from a place of flow rather than force.
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Filly
So head down to the show notes and jump on to, Jump onto the page to register for the event. It's going to be awesome and we will also during this time. So we hold these free coaching weights in conjunction with the week of doors being open to our ending body burn out method, which is our six month healing accelerator.
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Filly
And the best way to work with us to get a true transformation. So pop your name down on the waitlist if you can. You will get access to over $500 worth of early bird bonuses. And also you can secure a spot. We only have limited spaces because our program isn't a course. I mean, there's course components to it, but it is far more than that and you get so much one on one support, including consultations and coaching sessions.
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Filly
So we can only take so many clients in at any given time. So hopefully see you on the other side. But please enjoy this podcast and yet send fitness and beautiful, loving gratitude. Energy vibes.
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Chris
Hi everybody and welcome to this episode. We are so excited to have a very, very special guest with us today. We have our client, Fiona Foreman, with us today. We're so grateful to have you on the ending Body Burn out show. Fiona. Welcome.
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Fiona
Thanks and hi guys. It's lovely to see you.
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Filly
Yay, yay. We're so excited. We we just saying before we pressed record, this is by far our most favourite interviews that we have when we can celebrate, create space to share some awesome healing journeys. And you've got a great one.
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Speaker 4
Yeah.
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Chris
So good. Well, Fiona, for our listeners, we know you quite well, but would you like to to give our listeners a little bit of an introduction, who you are, what you do, and is as much about you as possible. Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
Like a bit of a backstory as well in terms of, like, to the point of reaching out to us.
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Fiona
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, I reached out to you probably on my 50th birthday, I think it was last year. And this is a little bit of backstory to go through, but, as you can see, a music producer, it's my my job now. I have my business. So I run a, music production business, at my house.
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Fiona
And, it's a bit of a story how I got there. I actually trained as a electrical, control systems engineer, at school, at uni. And I worked in engineering, roles for about 15 years. It, industry industrial control systems, like, the paper mill in Tasmania here. And then there was the Simplot, where they do frozen fridges and the, port letter where they, process iron ore.
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Fiona
So my job was all around programming the computers that make all the machines do the things they're supposed to do. Real brain, brain work. Because I'd been really good at school and I had. Yeah, I didn't know whether I wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer or, teacher or not. Knew that I didn't want to be those things.
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Fiona
So I want to be an engineer, because.
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Filly
That's the only the.
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Fiona
Process of elimination. That's what I was going to influence. So that must be me. But, you know, as a young person, you really don't know yourself real well. But anyway, I started on that that journey and I did five years at uni, you know, got a job in Tassie and got married about that time as well. Fairly young, would have been 21 through here and from Queensland.
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Fiona
I grew up in Queensland, but yeah. So I started down this path of engineering and funnily enough, in my university days, I actually had an inkling that this wasn't really me. You know, I wanted to run away and playing a band because, it's, but it's playing bass. That was what I wanted to do when I was 19 or 20, but not I felt obligated to complete my studies.
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Fiona
Yeah, mom and dad were paying money, and I had this brain that was supposed to be good at maths and science. So just keep going down the path that I was on. So I ended up working, yeah, for many years. And everyone say, oh, you're so good at that. And you know, I am. I feel like a bit of an imposter, to be honest.
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Fiona
So anyway, then, around 2008, I had the opportunity to, bought a computer and gotten into making music under my house just using the digital audio workstation, which is what it's called. And I had a great friend who had really nice songs and beautiful voice, and always had another great friend who was a music producer, who had a studio.
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Fiona
And so I, he offered to help me, yeah, oversee my project. So this album for my friend and it was like, oh, I love this. This is, this is what I want to do when I grow up. I just felt so energised and engaged, helping someone get songs out of their heart and into the world. And, you know, I could sort of facilitate that by playing the instruments and mixing the music and getting it all done.
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Fiona
And I was like, oh, this is what I this is what I make to do. So that was 2008 and, at that time I'd actually been trying to have kids for some time. I'd been married for, 13 or 14 years, and we'd been trying it for about six years after a miscarriage and, and, finally fell pregnant after some IVF.
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Fiona
And, so I about 2008, the album was released and my son was born, and that was, very exciting year, obviously, but it's also the year that my back pain and fatigue that I had had, a bit of fatigue over the years. That's when it really, exacerbated. Was it a lot worse? But, you know, you just soldier on.
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Fiona
And I went back to work, and then I had another other tour, a daughter and a beautiful Mikaela in 2012. And, and then 2013, my, my, the father of my kids passed away very suddenly and unexpectedly. And, obviously my world turned upside down. So then my body, obviously it was, fairly, stressed. My brain was stressed, I was stressed, it was very stressful time, obviously, but, we'll talk a bit more about that, I guess.
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Fiona
Not related, really, but to get to where I am now, I it was, it was from 2008 or a bit earlier actually, that I was putting $50 a week away. I think if I ever get the opportunity to have a studio, I'll just have I'm just gonna put some money one just in case. No idea how it would possibly happen.
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Fiona
So, and then my husband passed away locked in upside down. I, you know, had all sorts of things to work through. I ended up, buying a block of land and building a house, which was a great project to keep my mind busy. Through that grief period. So it took several years, though, to get my other house sold.
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Fiona
And by the time I was ready to build the house, I actually had met my husband through, so that was about 4 or 5 years later. And so we built the house together. And at the end of the build, I said, if the end of the build, if we still have that money left. So I had that $20,000 saved by then, is that still there?
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Fiona
Like it hasn't been chewed up and contingency on the on the house. You will build the studio and thankfully it was and so we moved in in a year or so later trips. Come on. We're going to build this house and, the studio. Sorry, I'm going to build the studio. So we did. And, yeah, that was about five years ago.
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Fiona
And so now I'm in my happy place so I can come down here any time, and make music. And I've been working with people all around the world writing songs for that are aimed at, film and TV and advertising. And it's a, it's a great thing because it's the perfect mix for me. I always say back when I was at university, it's all about God, people, music that were my my big true passions.
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Fiona
And now I can use my technical ability from the engineering days to make music and spend time with people and talk about life and with heart. And what's what they're all about is, you know, songs always come from your heart and who you are, and I just love that opportunity to share with people and and hear their story and help to tell their story, through music.
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Fiona
So. Yeah. So now that's what I do, as a vocation. And, I know I'm in the right place.
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Speaker 4
Yeah.
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Filly
I love that circle. Chris has had the, pleasure of being in your studio, too.
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Chris
Yeah, I so we're we're doing our recording right now. It's not very soundproof. And and so when, when I first came in here. Oh. And a couple of years prior to having this house here, like, setting up studios, this is our third, third studio that we've we've set up. And then when I came into yours and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, this is a, this is a real one.
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Chris
This is, this is cool. This is somebody who knows what they're talking about, not just googled stuff.
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Fiona
Yeah, that was really cool. So again, I spent that time waiting for my house to sell, processing my grief and having this other thing to focus on. How do I build a commercial grade studio and what do I need to do? And it's been hours and hours and, you know, speaking about it, working it out, talking to people, googling, yeah, reading and using my engineering brain to, to figure it out.
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Fiona
And, and I'm really, really happy with the result. And Trevor's just been fantastic because he has the manual skills and the and the ears as well to, to help me. And so between us, we built something that I know plaster and I build a wanted to look at because it was too complicated.
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Chris
Yeah. Yeah. It sorry just to nerd out on, on studio stuff. Fiona was telling me when I went and had a look at a studio that no corner is the same, like all the angles are a little bit different for sound, reasons. That's no wonder. Builder didn't want to do it. Like, it's not a box.
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Chris
You gotta. It's it's. That's pretty cool.
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Fiona
Yeah. And and plasterers don't like, you know, that I didn't want the corners coming up with corners because that sound of leaking out through the gaps, all of the, you know, meeting. Exactly. And nice and.
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Chris
Yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's pretty cool. Yeah. And, one last interesting thing is when I was in high school, I two wanted to be an engineer, but not because I was good at math. In fact, I was awful at maths. And not because I was good at science, because I was not great at it. But I had friends.
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Chris
My good friends were excellent at maths and there were excellent sides, and I was really smart for sitting next to them because sometimes I could osmotic like get the correct answers.
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Fiona
Oh. It's mostly.
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Speaker 4
Yeah.
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Chris
And yeah, there we go. But but they, one of my good friends from high school has a PhD and lectured at university in physics, and, and I just wanted to be like my friends. And I did not even know what an engineer was, but I wanted to.
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Fiona
Be sure.
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Speaker 4
I. Yeah.
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Filly
I think that's cool, though. Like, well, moving to your your ending Body burnout journey in a ski, but it's almost like you already went on this journey even before meeting us to find something that aligns more with your soul.
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Fiona
Yeah for sure.
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Filly
And being able to take that leap because, I mean, we have we talked we have a lot of clients. We talk to a lot of people who are just, like, stuck in a job or a business that they hate and like, literally, they feel so trapped in it. And it's like destroying their health because their unconscious mind has to send them some pretty strong signals at some point to say this isn't working anymore.
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Filly
So, like, get out. You haven't been listening to this small the small still voices. Sorry. I'm going to slam you with some pain.
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Fiona
And that was already happening for me.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like the this the the chronic fatigue and the back pain, even before having your first baby and then your first husband passing away, it was already starting to send you those signals to say, like, things need to change.
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Fiona
Yeah. A long time. For a long time. Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So when you reached out to us, like, can you share with the listeners symptoms that you're experiencing, how it is affecting your life, the reason why you reached out?
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Fiona
Oh, by the time I reached out to you, I was my fatigue was at the point where I just not could not get up in the mornings. I would be yawning constantly all day, like, not just, but.
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Speaker 4
Oh.
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Fiona
You know, just uncontrollable, just totally exhausted, constantly.
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Filly
I think you rated your energy one out of ten.
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Fiona
One out of ten. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Filly
It was like low.
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Fiona
It was, it was. I didn't think it go any lower. It did though, after I started with you.
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Speaker 4
After that.
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Fiona
Oh yeah. And that was probably my number one issue. My number two issue is that kind because I, after my son was born, I discovered that I had very low bone density that was lower than my mother's, and I had compression fractures in my, T5 and six area. So sort of a bra strap area. And yeah.
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Fiona
At that time when I had to go with it, it was like what I'm 35. And you know, I sort of persevered for a few months and the doctor said, oh, we won't leave you in pain. But I was to after six months, I was like, I'm still in kind. What's going on? And and I got pretty wound up, like, this is just, how can I live the rest of my life like this?
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Fiona
This is ridiculous. And so. So that back pain came and went, but it's it's sort of had been constantly there. And just whenever it was, it went from a 3 or 4 to a nine, I would know. So I completely over time. So that was they were really my two biggest issues. And people had sort of said, oh, I probably had fibromyalgia.
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Fiona
You know, just muscular pain, and sensitive areas. And again, that's so leading to chronic fatigue, doesn't it. And my neck and back and muscle, muscle tension and headaches, headaches, simultaneous. Yeah. So and the other thing I knew was that I was in a state of fight or flight. And I, had been since June.
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Fiona
My first husband passed away. And so that had been probably ten years. Yeah. And and then I realised that actually had been a long time before that because he, he had a lot of childhood trauma that I sort of had taken on as a young person, you know, being married at 21 when you think you know everything.
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Fiona
I sort of obviously cared about him and, and, but in a naive and, skewed way probably took on a lot of his, his trauma from his childhood. He also struggled with depression. We were struggling have kids. He, was spent a lot of years very depressed and I was caring for him without realising, you know, all that stuff.
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Fiona
So I think I'd been in a fight or flight side of fight or flight for probably probably 20 years, and I, I knew that just the way I responded to things was, not calm. Yeah. Yeah. So that's probably where I was at when I came to see.
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Filly
Yeah. And then even, I guess, like fading into how you started this conversation as well with that. Oh, I have to do this at uni. And like, even though I just want to like playing a band, you know, like the flight starts even even earlier before we start having adult responsibilities and carrying our baggage or someone else's baggage, like, yeah, it really starts like way earlier, which we'll, we'll get into a bit later.
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Speaker 4
Yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So had you tried anything? I mean, I know what you've tried.
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Speaker 4
Tell us what you tried to tell us.
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Filly
What you had tried before reaching out and what happened, what was in like the journey, the frustration, the heart.
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Fiona
We've got my list here of things that you reminded me. I've tried because I want that, I obviously tried a lot of things, back pain. I really tried, chiropractic osteopath. I went to ask you to look, massage. Regular massage. I been to the naturopathy, homeopathic stuff as far as fatigue and, that sort of thing goes.
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Fiona
I had, vitamin B injections or had hair tests show to show what sort of mineral deficiencies were going on. I, I had got some got hold of chair and that actually helped my tumour. It helped my back pain quite a bit for a year or two and then it, then it did didn't sort of like I'm taking these things in like that.
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Fiona
It's not actually doing anything now. And, and I knew because if I stopped taking them, there was no change. Yeah.
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Filly
Which is like, can I just say like, just add something. They're super common pattern to, for a lot of people where they're like, oh, I started this thing in my sleep is better or my pain is better, or like, it calm my mind, but then you can't out stop the root cause. So at some point, either the same symptoms surface again or it's like pokes out somewhere else.
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Filly
It's like, oh no, I've got this thing going on. What's going on? This is weird.
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Fiona
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Certainly had been to the psychologist a lot, after particularly after the John died. Because I'd, I'd have. I've had these incredibly epic dreams just so distressing. And, and it's been years and I've. So I've been on medications obviously for, by the time I got to you, I'd been on and finally got off Lyrica and in the and something else.
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Fiona
I can't remember what it was, but, for, you know, for, for pain and for, for sleep and, my GP was sort of change GP's and she was saying, you know, look, you're not getting restorative sleep because these medications are helping you sleep, but it's not they're not, they're actually masking that. It's like you're getting sleep, but it's not restorative.
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Fiona
And so that's exactly how I feel. So yeah, I've been on several medications for many, many years. And by the time I got to you, I had already decided that this is not working. You know, I've got myself off. And so that was a good place to start with you. What else? Yeah. So the, the anxiety and depression and I think it's probably post traumatic stress type stuff going on.
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Fiona
Had been really trying to deal with that with medication and psychology. And so also I had actually before, just before I saw you, I had a a couple of MDA sessions and they, they really helped. And that sort of helped leading to what you guys do as well. But it certainly wasn't as holistic, but.
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Fiona
Yeah.
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Filly
Built the capacity to be able to continue healing.
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Fiona
Yeah. It they helped me with some a couple of specific blocks. The eMDR sessions in a way that was sort of beneath the conscious. And that's exactly where, you go sort of, you know, work done, you know? So, yeah. So that's a bit of a summary, apart from, you know, the rheumatologists and things and bone density scans and all that stuff to do.
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Fiona
I had, injections of zoledronic acid to solve bone density problems, which had helped as well. So scans were saying that my bone density was better in my fractures. It healed, but I'm still this one. Oh, I'd also been through some, a program called Opal Overcoming Pain and Living, which is done in Birmingham, is a combination of a psychologist and its physio.
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Fiona
You and I sort of got in close to what you guys talk about as well, and that it helped a bit too. But it came back. Yeah. So yeah, for a few attempts.
00:27:39:09 - 00:27:44:03
Filly
Yeah, definitely the narrative of trying all the things.
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Fiona
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And and look I almost say to that like right now everything isn't perfect. I'm not fully 100%, but I'm so, so, so so much better than any of those efforts. And I've got the tools as well to, to recognise what I can change in my self. Yeah. To help. Yeah.
00:28:05:22 - 00:28:25:09
Filly
Yeah. I think too, like if someone's listening and they're like, oh my gosh, I've tried all the things too. It's we were talking, Chris and I were talking about this the other day, that it's like a lot of people can feel really frustrated by that and maybe even starting to lose hope now, and and it feels like that when you're in it.
00:28:25:09 - 00:28:44:13
Filly
But in hindsight, you can actually look back and it's like it's everything that I did. Even something that, you know, blatantly didn't help or didn't work or maybe, maybe things were worse. It's still a stepping stone to get you to where you are today. So actually nothing is off waste. It's all part of the journey.
00:28:44:15 - 00:28:51:08
Fiona
So treatment, you know, you get to the point where one more person tells me to try this or that screen.
00:28:51:10 - 00:28:52:20
Speaker 4
Because.
00:28:52:22 - 00:29:13:04
Fiona
I can only do so much or, you know, and having especially with the grief and had two small children on my own and building a house and getting married again and all the things headspace for nutrition was something that I knew. I wanted to look at my intuition, but I just did not have the headspace and I had to prioritise towards it.
00:29:13:06 - 00:29:21:07
Fiona
But, some things were, you know, there was a few big things that were high priority. Yeah. The frustration was definitely a big thing.
00:29:21:09 - 00:29:35:11
Filly
So if you have feeling like that, if one more person tells me to try this thing, what, what made you go, okay I'm going to try, I'm going to try another thing and like, oh, great chandeliers.
00:29:35:13 - 00:29:52:12
Fiona
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those phases of of my head's full. I can't throw another thing and then something, you know, finally I had a little bit of space and I'll try something else, but yeah. As far as reaching out to you, I, had some good friends who had been with you and had some pretty amazing results.
00:29:52:12 - 00:30:21:12
Fiona
And, honestly, though, my my struggle was finances, and I was because because both the both of us are on the disability pension. That's true, that's true. Just going through the program with you now, because of his, also complex health issues. But, you know, we just really struggled financially. And I was just fortunate that my, my parents, I've given this a little bit of an early inheritance.
00:30:21:12 - 00:30:47:23
Fiona
So, finally, I felt in the position to be able to, to, spend some money on myself. And, like, I could see these friends of mine had some really significantly good results. So I was like, he's always reluctant to spend money on my health because I tried so many things and cannot fork out big money for another thing and be in exactly the same position in 12 months time.
00:30:48:01 - 00:30:54:04
Fiona
Yeah, and I'm happy to report I'm not in exactly the same position 12 months after spending money with you. And so, yeah, you know.
00:30:54:06 - 00:31:16:23
Filly
That's that's that's awesome. That's so cool. And I think that external evidence of whether it's someone that you know, or even this podcast, which is why we love having clients come on as well, and not just our clients, but all have other people come on to share, like extraordinary healing stories after trying all the things. And so that just provides more heart that if she can do it, I can do it.
00:31:16:23 - 00:31:38:05
Filly
If I can do it, I can do it the like. It's possible we all have the blueprint. Okay, so the first step with our clients is the answers phase, which is where we get get into some lab testing. So you can't have a symptom without there being some sort of body system imbalance. Once we have that data, then we get into the deeper root causes.
00:31:38:07 - 00:31:53:15
Filly
So with the body systems and the lab testing, you're happy to share what showed up for you, what was connected to the fatigue, the inflammation in the body, the mind stuff, and how you felt when you had that data? I know that you love data.
00:31:53:16 - 00:32:20:12
Fiona
Oh, no. I'm an engineer, scientist, scientific brain. And that's one thing that attracted me to you guys too, was the the test. Don't guess. It's like, oh yes, because I've been to the GP, I'm taught, I'm so tired. And one GP said to me, you have a condition, you have. You need a nap from time to time, like, you know, but surely, surely we can do something.
00:32:20:14 - 00:32:40:18
Fiona
So when, I came to you and we, we talked about all the things that I had been suffering, and, you suggested, right, that we look at this body system and that body system, I was like, yes, let's just. You said you want to do a little, you know, we can do one test at a time. We'll do all three.
00:32:40:18 - 00:33:03:10
Fiona
You know, you had three main ones that you wanted to test. It was doable. Let's let's get the big picture. I'm a picture person, and, Yeah. So we talked about the, the adrenals and, as you was talking about adrenals, it's like, let's say I think that's my tick, tick tick. Yeah. Just no energy. Yeah.
00:33:03:12 - 00:33:30:06
Fiona
And that fight or flight response is, you know, that you have adrenaline running through your body constantly. Surely that's. Yeah, you're overdoing it. Surely that's going to tire that system out. So yeah, we looked at adrenals, we looked at the gut, and we detox systemically and sure enough, my adrenals were where I was so happy. I knew, I knew it would be like this because the mornings I'm supposed to have high cortisol, it's, you know, it comes down.
00:33:30:06 - 00:33:35:09
Fiona
It's, you know, provides energy for the day. And mine was like flatline. Yeah.
00:33:35:11 - 00:33:37:14
Filly
It's like, where is it, you.
00:33:37:16 - 00:34:02:10
Fiona
Know, cortisol it early in the morning explains why. You know, 910 I was like oh drag was okay. Yeah. So that was, that was like, right. Because to have some evidence that I'm not going mad and I'm not just meeting in every now and then, there's actually something physiologically not right. Yeah. Body. Fantastic. What can we do about that?
00:34:02:16 - 00:34:12:02
Fiona
Yeah. It really says we can do lots and, and, Yeah. So that was the big one. I think my gut was pretty reasonable.
00:34:12:04 - 00:34:16:14
Filly
A little bit of dysbiosis going on, but it wasn't the big project.
00:34:16:16 - 00:34:21:04
Fiona
Not the big project. And there was a couple of detox things to look at as well. Yeah.
00:34:21:06 - 00:34:22:23
Filly
And brain.
00:34:23:01 - 00:34:31:20
Fiona
The brain. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Serotonin and dopamine levels were low. Oh that's funny. Ability to persons for years and years.
00:34:31:22 - 00:34:33:02
Filly
Yeah.
00:34:33:04 - 00:34:53:08
Fiona
And when you explained to me that. Yeah, that's that's just masking the, the brain's not producing the dopamine. Serotonin. So the the pills, providing that for you, basically, your body's not being restored. It's not healing. It's just being bandaid. It's like. Yeah, like so much needs.
00:34:53:09 - 00:35:18:22
Filly
Yeah. Which also makes a lot of sense when people have trouble coming off that type of medication because it's like you don't come off it and all of a sudden the brain's like healthy again. It's literally just yeah, it's definitely mask mandate. And it can be a really important one to for people who have really struggling. But yeah, when you have the doctor, the, your actual physiology, it's just like, everything makes sense.
00:35:19:00 - 00:35:20:14
Filly
And what can we do about it.
00:35:20:16 - 00:35:30:07
Fiona
That is so, so helpful when you've been struggling for years and years and years and it's like nothing you've tried is work. Why must must be something or must be me. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:30:09 - 00:36:01:01
Chris
Yeah, it's it's validation isn't it? Yeah. We get a lot of our, our method is it's not just physical, but it's not just the metaphysical either. It's both. Hey. And and I think it's, it's nicer to go into that, that deep root cause work when you, when you've got some numbers and data and, and graphs or saying, hey look, it's not in your head, but there's actually something to to work on right here.
00:36:01:03 - 00:36:17:22
Chris
Rather than just going, oh, what we could do is we could maybe, hold hands and hum and like, breathe together. And it's like, how will that help? I don't know, but like, let's just be happy. So I don't know, do.
00:36:18:00 - 00:36:36:05
Fiona
That is what I just so love about, your messages is the how holistic it is. We do look at the numbers. We do look at the body systems and we do look at what can we physiologically do with supplements and, you know, give the body what it needs. But also how on earth do we get there in the first place?
00:36:36:05 - 00:36:42:06
Fiona
And what can we do to not go back. Yeah, let's let's which way we go I used it.
00:36:42:08 - 00:36:57:05
Filly
Yeah. Actually, before we go to the deep date, just something that you said earlier where you like, I was one out of ten energy. And then when I started with you guys, didn't think it could get worse, but it did. Can you just explain that? Because I feel like that was the start of kind of like the physical healing for you.
00:36:57:05 - 00:37:01:18
Filly
And there were some things that we took some bandaids out, didn't we? Oh you.
00:37:01:18 - 00:37:03:02
Fiona
Did. Yeah.
00:37:03:02 - 00:37:04:13
Filly
I just encouraged.
00:37:04:15 - 00:37:22:08
Fiona
Yeah. Well, we so the first thing I did was go off the stimulants and I always said coffee doesn't really affect me much that 1 or 2 a day, I can live without it. Yeah, with or without it. But I was a bit of a chocoholic. Yeah. Love my chocolate. And that was a bad thing.
00:37:22:10 - 00:37:44:23
Fiona
Probably. Probably I, I knew I had a bit more sugar than I would process biscuity type cake type stuff. I love that sort of thing, but I'm, like, reasonably healthy otherwise. And, so I just went off the coffee and the, you know, coffee. So caffeine, sugar, soy alcohol, I don't really much nicotine, anything much. So stimulants.
00:37:45:03 - 00:37:46:05
Fiona
Yeah. Went off the stimulants.
00:37:46:08 - 00:37:51:09
Filly
Can I just say this was like part of the start of the healing of the adrenals from the physical perspective.
00:37:51:09 - 00:38:13:21
Fiona
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so in off those and I slept for a month, I reckon, almost literally, like I was pretty used to having a nap an hour or so or 2 or 3 every, you know, it couple of times a week. Know, I was sleeping every afternoon for several weeks. It was like, oh, I am absolutely shattered.
00:38:13:21 - 00:38:30:03
Fiona
Is this solely so. So that's what stimulants have been doing. They've been helping me survive, to that pretty pitiful energy level that I had. Yeah. And they. Oh, it's even worse. What do you know? I don't feel like I'm quitting.
00:38:30:05 - 00:38:32:06
Filly
Actually, I don't think you ever said I'm quitting.
00:38:32:08 - 00:38:36:18
Fiona
No, no, I didn't, but, Yeah, that was the band aid we ripped off.
00:38:36:20 - 00:38:58:05
Filly
Yeah. And I think it's because you understood it, too. It's like, this is just. This is part of the healing, side of things. And also when someone starts supplementing with the adrenals. And I know we've had this conversation, together to Fiona is that sometimes people, you know, maybe they haven't ripped off anything from a nutritional point of view because they're already doing that.
00:38:58:08 - 00:39:19:19
Filly
You know, they're already eating in a way that supports their adrenals. But even when you start therapeutically supporting the body from a near endocrine point of view, your body can actually start feeling safe. And then sometimes they're not every body, but sometimes there can be a bit of a slump with energy, because all of a sudden the body's like, now I can rest and digest and now I can slate.
00:39:19:19 - 00:39:27:01
Filly
The tiger's not chasing me anymore. So it can kind of feel a little bit like a lull before it starts improving.
00:39:27:02 - 00:39:48:21
Fiona
And that was part of my experience, because I sort of decided that, right, I've committed to this process. I'm going to take the pressure off myself for the next six months. You know, I'll think it was. So it might be September, I said, until February. I'm just going to do whatever I feel like doing. And, you know, obviously I'm not going to I'm not going to do that, leave my kids in the lurch or anything.
00:39:48:21 - 00:40:11:18
Fiona
But, minimum just do the minimum to get the maximum price. Do the minimum. You wasn't going to especially in the studio. I wasn't going to expect myself to be working long hours or, no expectations in, what I gave myself in the studio particularly so that, you know, family life could might be maintained, but just take the pressure off myself.
00:40:11:18 - 00:40:15:10
Fiona
And I think that's part of that slump as well.
00:40:15:12 - 00:40:53:20
Chris
When, when you went down in energy, I know if we, if we didn't do the testing, what am I trying to ask? I'm trying to ask how did how did having that data like knowing that your you're pretty logical person systematic data driven Google. How did that having that data, if at all, help you to, kind of take it on the chin like, okay, energy's down, but I know that this is not just like for no reason.
00:40:53:21 - 00:41:15:12
Fiona
Yeah. Yeah, totally. And part of part of my thinking, too, was that it's taken me ten, 15, 20 years to get here. I think I'll give give the process a bit more than a month to, to make some forward progress. And yeah, I was old. Saying things often get a little bit worse before they get better.
00:41:15:14 - 00:41:36:16
Fiona
Yeah, yeah, but the data, the data, knowing that the cortisol levels very low DHEA there was a low and fairly says that. But you know, supplementing these will be able to restore some of that physiologically. I've only taken for a week surely. You know, I need a bit more of more putting into, get better. So yeah, I'll just hang hang in there.
00:41:36:16 - 00:41:37:11
Fiona
Hang talking.
00:41:37:13 - 00:41:38:03
Speaker 4
00:41:38:05 - 00:41:47:19
Fiona
That's cool. Yeah. That's cool. I'll just on the, on the sugar and chocolate thing that I'll tell you the one thing that probably saved me was Fillys chocolate brownies. Yeah.
00:41:47:21 - 00:41:50:05
Filly
Oh so many.
00:41:50:06 - 00:41:58:18
Fiona
But I'll actually still make the buckwheat brownie recipe every fortnight. And that's my chocolate and my cake. Cake you sort of fix.
00:41:58:18 - 00:42:02:10
Chris
Yeah. What day do you normally make them? Fiona? I'll just come to you.
00:42:02:11 - 00:42:05:21
Speaker 4
Oh, that's.
00:42:05:23 - 00:42:08:00
Filly
You got the recipe too, on the app.
00:42:08:04 - 00:42:11:14
Chris
But if she's making them, I'll just, like, pop round.
00:42:11:16 - 00:42:13:14
Fiona
Oh, I don't know. That was there. Like.
00:42:13:16 - 00:42:16:03
Speaker 4
I, I don't know.
00:42:16:07 - 00:42:18:06
Chris
I'll send you a message every day.
00:42:18:08 - 00:42:20:10
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:42:20:11 - 00:42:54:18
Filly
Okay. So, so you can't have symptoms without there being somebody's system imbalance. So we've uncovered that. And then it's always why, why, why did the body systems burn out in the first place. And you know there's always I think about different levels of root causes surface level stuff, toxins in environment, nutrition and movement. But then the D5 stuff, which is, I would say like it's the 90% of what we work with, with clients and the attention and focus you're putting on is the deepest stuff that's happening below the surface, the baggage stuck in the unconscious mind.
00:42:54:18 - 00:43:17:09
Filly
And where we go, like first and foremost, is there's some sort of dysfunctional belief that you have about yourself at an identity level that is basically like the little tiger chasing around your nervous system, which is contributing to this. Well, it's it is the root that is causing your system to stain fight flight. You're holding on to past trauma, distressing events because of it.
00:43:17:11 - 00:43:35:20
Filly
And your body literally can't heal. Which is also like the reason why when someone is doing things, it's like, oh, I feel a bit better. But then it's like coming back again. What's going on? Are you happy to to go into what that look like for you, discovering the deepest root cause.
00:43:35:22 - 00:44:04:06
Fiona
Yeah, it was it was not easy to do. Very challenging to do, actually. But, and partly for me, it was I didn't have any big childhood traumas, you know, I had a lovely childhood, lovely parents, and they did their very best. And I was, had plenty of opportunities. I was encouraged, but they were stuff missing, that I didn't realise that I needed as a small person.
00:44:04:08 - 00:44:29:01
Fiona
And I guess that my first clue was this driven. This. I have been driven, throughout my life to be as good as I can be. Just. Did you know I did great at school, so therefore I should do great at everything. I should be whatever I put my hand to. It should do really well it. Because that's who I am.
00:44:29:03 - 00:44:50:12
Fiona
I should be productive. I, I that was a huge flag to me was just the constant need to be productive, especially because I had fatigue. Right. So, but I wasn't in bed those hours. When I was not in bed, I had to make the absolute most and I couldn't watch them. And I had to do this and then head to head to head to head to,
00:44:50:14 - 00:44:59:01
Filly
And even in bed, the brain was still like, hey, I got to do this and this and this in the morning. And oh, maybe I should be doing that. And did it, did it?
00:44:59:03 - 00:45:16:11
Fiona
I could run my life from bed. Yeah, yeah, the internet's amazing. I had all the groceries or, you know, had keys. Lots of things you could do from bed. And I actually had driven. I had said that to each other. We can actually pretty much run a lot from bed. Can't wait. You know.
00:45:16:13 - 00:45:20:23
Chris
That's like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory grandparents. Do you remember that?
00:45:21:01 - 00:45:23:20
Speaker 4
Oh, yeah.
00:45:23:21 - 00:45:53:09
Fiona
Yeah. And then when I was up, it was like, I have to, And also when I was in bed, often I would be thinking, about a project in the studio. Maybe I could do you know what, what buttons I press and what knobs I'd pull to make the sound do this and that. I'd be on the processing thinking of it, or think about, task ahead to do in the family, in the home and how I do it most efficiently so that when I did get off, what's been the least amount of time doing it so I could do something else as well productivity, productivity and, as time.
00:45:53:11 - 00:45:56:16
Fiona
Exhausting. Yeah.
00:45:56:18 - 00:46:21:00
Filly
It was interesting for you too, because I, I think there were a few coaching conversations or maybe even as you dug into what we call the outlet. So it's like kind of like your reflection, journal prompts is that initially you didn't think that that was an issue because you like that. I love doing what I do, like I love my business and I love and I love my children and I love my husband.
00:46:21:02 - 00:46:21:16
Fiona
Yeah.
00:46:21:18 - 00:46:30:18
Filly
So can you, like, explain what was going on there and what was the little light bulb moment where it's like, I get it now.
00:46:30:20 - 00:47:13:06
Fiona
What was it? It was just the overdoing that. Do I have to be doing doing have to. You have to. You have to all the time. Like, is it is it good for me? Oh, me. Hang on. I love my business. I love my children. I love my husband. I'd have said I love me. And so I dug a bit back a bit further and, and into some childhood memories and then not nothing, nothing horrible or awful happened, but I just felt a little bit undervalued, I think, a bit less important than other things in my family life.
00:47:13:06 - 00:47:29:22
Fiona
Perhaps as a small person. And so I sort of got to the point where I was like, you know what? Everything's very important, but I don't feel like I'm important. And and for me, that was the.
00:47:30:00 - 00:47:30:16
Chris
Yeah.
00:47:30:18 - 00:47:42:12
Filly
And then it's like, oh my gosh, now it makes sense. Although like the doing the achieving the brain that won't switch off when I'm supposed to be asleep. That's going to help me with energy in the morning is like.
00:47:42:14 - 00:47:43:06
Fiona
You know.
00:47:43:08 - 00:47:44:05
Filly
I see it.
00:47:44:07 - 00:48:04:11
Fiona
Yeah. And it took took a long while to figure out what does that actually mean? What what do I mean? Yeah, on I, I do I have a strong Christian faith and I know that I'm loved and valuable. I know it, but I hadn't actually, really, really, truly believed it. And, it's that that belief that I'm valuable.
00:48:04:11 - 00:48:17:02
Fiona
I'm significant. I have a place in this world, the three sort of things that, were, you know, an important point was struggling to believe that. Really, truly.
00:48:17:04 - 00:48:50:03
Filly
Yeah. And it's because the belief system that's in your unconscious state is what what rules the way your thought patterns, your behaviour patterns. And, like, literally the way that your body systems in your health is so intellectually you can have a belief that, oh, like I am, you know, I am made of God. I am worthwhile. But if your unconscious mind is like holding onto a lie that you made about yourself when you're a little kid based on misdirection or information, then it's hard.
00:48:50:03 - 00:49:02:06
Filly
Like it's hard for your whole body because your body is your unconscious mind is stored in your body. To be able to, like, viscerally feel and know and believe that at like that more cellular level.
00:49:02:09 - 00:49:26:14
Fiona
Yeah, I could say it that loud. So I know that I, I'm a worthwhile person. I'm not a bad person. I know I'm, I know I'm lovable and I know I'm worth with something to people and but but it just didn't really hadn't really connected properly. Say the words but and think it even but not really really really fully firmly believe it.
00:49:26:19 - 00:49:34:19
Filly
Yeah. And we have a saying the proof is in the pudding. So it's like yeah, cool. You're saying that you do. But there's patterns.
00:49:34:21 - 00:49:35:09
Fiona
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:35:11 - 00:49:42:07
Filly
And like there's one out of ten energy and there's like debilitating pain.
00:49:42:09 - 00:50:03:02
Fiona
That is dysfunctional patterns where a challenge for me, I remember asking Chris about, what am I dysfunctional because on don't I can't I can't see any, you know, and then I, you know, I did I found a few and, it was really interesting. One of them was that thinking about all my, you know, activity that I should be doing in bed.
00:50:03:02 - 00:50:19:13
Fiona
That's not really good for me. Not healthy. Those. And when I write them down. Oh, okay. Yeah, I can see that's probably not ideal. And then at the a few months, couple months ago when we went back and looked at them again after having been through the programs like, oh, I don't do that anymore, I don't do that anymore.
00:50:19:13 - 00:50:22:22
Fiona
And I awesome. I was like, now I wonder, I feel a bit better.
00:50:23:02 - 00:50:24:19
Speaker 4
It's so cool.
00:50:24:21 - 00:50:41:10
Filly
So what did the what did the rewiring reprogramming of these deeper beliefs clearing past memories that are attached to it, and then also a rewiring to get your your body back on, on track and healing. What did that look like for you?
00:50:41:12 - 00:50:49:10
Fiona
Yeah, I took me a little bit to, launch into that process. I don't know if you remember. Always like, a little bit hesitant.
00:50:49:15 - 00:50:53:09
Filly
What was my hesitancy about? Like, will it work?
00:50:53:11 - 00:50:54:04
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:50:54:05 - 00:51:03:18
Fiona
I think I was worried that. What if this doesn't work? What? It would, and it was. I wanted to do it. Well. Oh.
00:51:03:20 - 00:51:05:06
Filly
Pattern.
00:51:05:08 - 00:51:06:14
Speaker 4
Perfectionism.
00:51:06:16 - 00:51:25:07
Fiona
Yeah, because it was like a 20. What you have, like, is in the middle of your program is a 21 day reward system. This. Look. Come on. I'm terrible. Like, I know that I should do this. I should do that. It's good for me. But I just often set up these aims and plans. And if I just do ten minutes a day of that.
00:51:25:09 - 00:51:40:11
Fiona
But I never do it. It's like I do it a day or two days, and then I fall apart and I don't do it. It's like, I'm going to do it with this. It worth, you know, I want to actually wait till my calendar is free. So I know that I can do it every day or whatnot.
00:51:40:13 - 00:52:00:02
Fiona
And, and that was part of the hesitancy, a dysfunctional pattern. That's changed for me. Now I'm saying the truth this morning. I've got exercises that I need to do for my back. And now, instead of insisting that I do it every second day, whatever the plan is, it's like, well, supposed to do it three times a week.
00:52:00:02 - 00:52:08:20
Fiona
So I didn't do it yesterday. I'll do it today. Oh, why are you if I didn't do it? That's five days. I'll just look at yesterday. Yeah. Oh I didn't go yesterday. So today's an on day.
00:52:08:22 - 00:52:09:22
Filly
Yeah.
00:52:10:00 - 00:52:28:20
Fiona
Don't don't beat myself up because I didn't do it for the last three days. Just do it. You know, it's not I love that. Yeah. And I do things like that even just not look after myself. Like, if I was thirsty. And there's a drink of water just there in the middle of the night. Reaching out to get the drink of water was too much effort.
00:52:28:20 - 00:52:48:18
Fiona
And I'm not actually, it's not not so much the effort, but also, I'll be okay. Oh, I don't need it. I'm. I'm okay. Yeah. I'll be. I'll be all right. I wouldn't look after myself, but I wasn't important enough. Not. I didn't say those things to myself, but it's just like. And that's definitely a pattern for my for my family.
00:52:48:18 - 00:53:07:00
Fiona
I think that gram, that whole, doing the doing it, just making do with what you have because, you know, just don't use too much or be to, impacting on your world around you. You just you just keep small.
00:53:07:02 - 00:53:07:13
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:53:07:16 - 00:53:09:17
Chris
Which is great until it's not right.
00:53:09:17 - 00:53:16:12
Fiona
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. That's right. So, back to the question was about rewiring the rewiring.
00:53:16:17 - 00:53:41:17
Filly
Well, can I just add something there because that's interesting as well with the, because so many people I'm sure will resonate with this. It it's like okay, he's he's the process or the protocol or the, you know, whatever it is, whether it's nutrition, rewiring, exercise, so many people will start or maybe not even because they're like, I've just had so much evidence that, like, I do these things for three days and then I give up, so why should I even bother doing it?
00:53:41:17 - 00:53:58:14
Filly
Or, you know, they're just like, no, I'm going to do it. But then they stop, say like directly. That was connected to the deepest root that if you're not important enough, you're not significant. Then you know that example of like, I couldn't even reach over to get a glass of water for myself. Well, of course, then you're not going to do the big things.
00:53:58:14 - 00:54:07:23
Filly
And you're going to make like a huge, life changing, dramatic like, end result, because your unconscious mind is like, yeah. And, we're not that.
00:54:07:23 - 00:54:09:21
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:09:23 - 00:54:22:01
Fiona
Yeah. And so there was a little bit of a catch 22 for me is I knew that this 21 days rewiring, exercises would be really good for me, but, you know, yeah.
00:54:22:03 - 00:54:39:14
Filly
Were there any practices or coaching frameworks or anything when you got to this rewiring, reprogramming that really resonated or you feel like, oh, that one was yeah, that really either changed the patterns or started reducing symptoms or anything like that.
00:54:39:16 - 00:55:03:04
Fiona
Yeah. Well, I love how there's quite a variety in that 21 days of, of practices. And some of them were excellent and some of them didn't resonate. But a few I can think of. The pendulum, of course, was really good one, but just swinging your attention from, a, place in your body that's uncomfortable, less comfortable to something that's feeling really comfortable.
00:55:03:04 - 00:55:32:18
Fiona
I've done that a lot of times now, do that on my own now. And some of the, some of the ones around, distressing events and making them really small and, and then freaking them away or, or blowing them away, maybe that reminded risen. It reminded me of the eMDR experience as well, that some of those big, some of those significant events that made me have a visceral reaction, like, I remember that event and it makes me feel or how I feel.
00:55:32:18 - 00:55:40:05
Fiona
Yeah. And you physically feel solve those? Yeah. I can think about them now. And they they're not.
00:55:40:07 - 00:55:59:21
Filly
Not as big. Yeah. Decorating the way the brain unconscious mind has been holding onto them. It's just like we have so much power that we can change that and literally clear it, or it's not really clearing it. It's actually just like, so what's scientifically happening is you're taking those distressing events or even beliefs and storing it in the hippocampus.
00:56:00:03 - 00:56:07:02
Filly
That's kind of like cool. Now it is storing it away. We can remember it, but it no longer has the emotional charge or like angsty ness.
00:56:07:02 - 00:56:29:02
Fiona
But it's like putting it's like putting it into its proper place, into its perspective. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've, I've got a really practical thing that happened that, before I met you about the location where, John died was, on a beach in the Gold Coast, and he was in the water, and there was a, pontoon out in the water.
00:56:29:02 - 00:56:45:01
Fiona
And Josh, my son asked him to take him out there. So they walked out there, and he was up to his neck. And I remember looking at him and thinking, oh, yeah, he'll be on the pontoon in a minute because it was right at the pontoon. And the next minute he was he, he was dead. And it was just him.
00:56:45:06 - 00:57:15:06
Fiona
His heart had stopped. And, and in my mind, that scene was just was just huge, massive place, like the beach was long and the pontoon was a long way out. And, and then a week when I went back there a few years later, I was just so surprised how small the physical place was. Yeah. So when I was doing this work with you, it's it's I could oh, yeah, I could totally relate because it's like any of the distressing events in your head get bigger.
00:57:15:08 - 00:57:33:20
Fiona
They seem so huge and overwhelming. But actually the The True Place is this size ten times. Yeah. So I had that physical, that physical, example of that to work with when, you know, it made so much sense what you were saying.
00:57:33:22 - 00:57:36:12
Speaker 4
Circle is okay.
00:57:36:14 - 00:57:45:05
Filly
What was what was the moment that you knew things were working for you, that things were changing, that it was kind of like the,
00:57:45:07 - 00:58:05:08
Fiona
Yeah, I reckon. So September we started probably through this summer time. I had just taken pressure off myself. And then in February, I think it was, we went on a trip to Jindabyne. It was a whirlwind trip, three or 4 or 5 days, and we had heaps of driving and heaps of in-laws to be with.
00:58:05:10 - 00:58:18:00
Fiona
And, just, you know, busy. It was hot. And I just knew that I could not have done that 12 months prior. Yeah.
00:58:18:02 - 00:58:22:18
Filly
I remember sharing that in a group session where like, yay!
00:58:22:20 - 00:58:23:17
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:58:23:19 - 00:58:45:11
Fiona
Yeah. Yeah, actually, there was one even before that, I think when I was around the same time, when I drove, when we went to Hobart for a night, one one night. So that's about three hours away. And, family trip. And I drove home in the evening, six, six, two, nine, three hours because Jared was tired, is what he'd done.
00:58:45:13 - 00:58:55:05
Fiona
And then I'll go up the next morning. I went to church at 9:00 in the morning. That's just unheard of. Usually a trip like that would be days of poor. Yeah, yeah. That's what. Yeah.
00:58:55:07 - 00:58:57:03
Filly
Yeah. So cool.
00:58:57:05 - 00:58:58:02
Fiona
Yeah.
00:58:58:04 - 00:59:05:23
Filly
So what is what is your health? What does your life look like? Now? Let's change for you.
00:59:06:01 - 00:59:27:17
Fiona
Much, so much. Something we didn't talk about was the, Your intent. My intention about my desired state. This is part of it. What we go through. And, my desired state is to be happy, relaxed and kind. I thought I was unclear before, but I often found myself being a bit dragon mum ish, like you say sometimes.
00:59:27:18 - 00:59:57:21
Fiona
Yeah, because of my just sheer exhaustion, and I didn't. I didn't like that person that I was. So my three words have been happy, relaxed and kind. And I honestly can say sometimes I'm driving around and trying to say, man, I feel happy. Okay. And, and and I realise that I actually haven't felt happy. I've been content. I've had joy in, you know, a deep seated joy in my life.
00:59:57:23 - 01:00:02:19
Fiona
Always but happy. I just feel happy.
01:00:02:21 - 01:00:03:19
Filly
Like. Yeah.
01:00:03:21 - 01:00:05:11
Fiona
Yeah. So.
01:00:05:13 - 01:00:21:17
Filly
There was that email that you sent me actually, at the. Yeah. Do you mind if I share that one? Just. I thought that was really cool because also something too is like a lot of, like, money fees and, you know, money worries. And you went shopping with your kids and they, like you say, happy mum, and you're not even caring about spending money.
01:00:21:19 - 01:00:26:08
Speaker 4
It's not. And I love.
01:00:26:08 - 01:00:28:22
Filly
The light and like to lose.
01:00:29:00 - 01:00:30:00
Speaker 4
It.
01:00:30:02 - 01:01:01:17
Fiona
And my business, I took that. As I say, I took the pressure off in the studio, so I'm just going to not I'm going to do music as I feel like it if I feel like it. I had been. Really. Yeah. I'd spent four years. I call it my apprenticeship. Yeah. Getting myself up to a point where I consider myself a professional producer and my works have good quality, and I'd really not been earning a lot of money at all, and not being able to feel like not feeling like I could command a certain rate or anything.
01:01:01:19 - 01:01:26:16
Fiona
And, and so since about February, just with very little effort, the work started to flow in and, I've been quite capable of managing it and of the look about, oh, no, what if I get busy and I earn money and then my disability pension reduces and and I'll have to work or have to I have to keep working.
01:01:26:16 - 01:01:44:07
Fiona
What if I do my, you know. But burnout again basically won't have the energy of I'll be taught and a whole mindset around that is shifted to, you know what, I'm just going to do what I can do, that I love this stuff. I'll just do do what I'm doing as I can. And, and I'm sure that it will increase over time.
01:01:44:07 - 01:02:02:05
Fiona
And that has been I set myself a limit at 1.3 hours in the studio, no more, because I knew that was I knew if I overwork overdid it, I would do it. But I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be good for me. And so had stuck to that for many, many months. And now it's like up to maybe four hours.
01:02:02:05 - 01:02:09:04
Fiona
And, you know, it might continue and it'll gradually. Yeah. If I feel like you're not earning enough money to get off the pension, that's great.
01:02:09:06 - 01:02:10:02
Speaker 4
Yeah.
01:02:10:04 - 01:02:29:07
Fiona
Yeah. But I'm only going to do that. I know I'm not going to push myself to the point of exhaustion. I'm going to. I'm going to do that as and when I can. And I'm so, so grateful for that, for the, assistance that we have in this country to be able to, be looked after it when we really need it.
01:02:29:09 - 01:02:37:19
Fiona
Yeah. And I've got past the guilt of that as well. It's like, yeah, but I'm a capable person. Why should I be taking I'm taking help.
01:02:37:21 - 01:02:38:22
Speaker 4
Yeah.
01:02:39:00 - 01:02:41:10
Fiona
Lots of lots of good mindset changes.
01:02:41:10 - 01:03:09:06
Filly
Yeah I think that's an important thing too. Like especially with not just low in it like people who have low energy like this kind of like you came in with one out of ten and so then we one out of ten energy. Sorry. So with this like old chronic fatigue, symptoms or condition. Eddie's like it's these incremental changes and then being able to understand your patterns and the beliefs and rewiring that.
01:03:09:06 - 01:03:28:01
Filly
So it is actually safe to go at the pace and build that capacity little by little over time, enables one to then be able to heal and actually then increase that energy incrementally, be able to do more, but without doing that whole burn crash cycle where people get stuck and never heal.
01:03:28:03 - 01:03:29:05
Fiona
Yeah.
01:03:29:07 - 01:03:30:13
Filly
So cool.
01:03:30:15 - 01:03:33:12
Fiona
Exactly. Yeah.
01:03:33:14 - 01:03:39:16
Filly
Okay. Two more questions. What was what was different about the ending body than out method?
01:03:39:18 - 01:03:40:06
Fiona
Everything.
01:03:40:12 - 01:03:42:20
Speaker 4
Everything.
01:03:42:22 - 01:04:07:12
Fiona
So the main thing is, the hope for me is that holistic approach, that you're not just looking at one small aspect of health, you know, just looking at, one. Yeah, just looking at the supplementing your body systems or just supplementing the adrenal system because it's because you're tired. You look at the whole picture of the body systems, but you also look at the whole picture of how did that body system get burnt out in the first place?
01:04:07:12 - 01:04:17:07
Fiona
What caused that? What are you doing that's caused that? You know, it can't be. It almost can't be external factors. It has to come from within.
01:04:17:11 - 01:04:18:03
Filly
01:04:19:06 - 01:04:42:23
Fiona
And and the, the just the plethora of tools and strategies that you have to offer that, you know, some work and some don't. And I can find the ones that work for me and and yeah, it's just, it's very holistic. That's, that's the big, big difference and so much more holistic than anything else I've done. Yeah.
01:04:42:23 - 01:04:46:01
Fiona
You've got nutrition in there that all your,
01:04:46:03 - 01:04:49:05
Filly
Recipes for brownies. There's lots of brownies, people.
01:04:49:07 - 01:04:53:11
Fiona
So many different brownies.
01:04:53:13 - 01:04:55:00
Speaker 4
It's how we roll.
01:04:55:02 - 01:05:02:00
Fiona
Yeah. And I, you know, I was prepared to be. I was prepared to be eating completely differently to how I do. So it's going to be hard. I'm going to do it, but it's actually.
01:05:02:02 - 01:05:03:09
Speaker 4
Not that fun.
01:05:03:11 - 01:05:20:03
Fiona
It was. And now dining completely differently. And I eat mostly the same. But yeah. Yeah. So many. So yeah, just the the broad base that you launch from is what, is so different to every other thing that I've tried.
01:05:20:05 - 01:05:21:19
Filly
Thank you.
01:05:21:21 - 01:05:22:09
Chris
Cool.
01:05:22:12 - 01:05:43:03
Filly
Last question. If someone's been listening and they're in the depths of body burnout, they might even be feeling a bit like us too. I've tried so many things. I'm losing hope. Peace is even possible for me. What would you like? What words of wisdom would you give to people who might be feeling stuck?
01:05:43:05 - 01:06:08:23
Fiona
He can get unstuck. It's pretty surprising that it's possible. But yeah, it is definitely possible. And, I think the I remember early on, you know, group calls, Chris, I said, I've done this and I've done that. I've done the other. Do I really is this really going to help me? And, and, you said something like, you're in the right place because you've, you know, you've taken all these steps up till now.
01:06:08:23 - 01:06:26:20
Fiona
And so that's all going to help you, like all the things that you have done aren't dismissed or discredited, or, useful. It's all, as you said, it was a step towards your healing. And, I've just found a very big step coming through your program.
01:06:26:22 - 01:06:28:11
Speaker 4
01:06:28:13 - 01:06:42:01
Fiona
Yeah. So that's that'd be, that'd be, that'd be my advice for people who are feeling frustrated that that's another thing. Yeah. This is a it is it's just another thing. But it's, it's a pretty good thing is one.
01:06:42:03 - 01:07:06:05
Filly
I think too, like when you have someone that you trust. So going back to your friends, your friends who I love as well, where it's just like, yeah, you know, they can vouch for it or it we also have people. And by the way, this advice wasn't to like, just join the body burn burnout method. It might be someone else might be listening to this podcast and they're like, I've been thinking of like my heart is being put to this thing.
01:07:06:07 - 01:07:10:17
Filly
Like there's so much 95% of what you need to heal is already inside of you.
01:07:10:18 - 01:07:11:01
Fiona
Yeah.
01:07:11:01 - 01:07:35:08
Filly
So when you're feeling pulled to something, even if it feels scary and challenging and you've got all these like, excuses in your monkey brain as to how it can't work or won't work for you. But when you can, like, drop into your body and listen to your intuition, I think like it's going to guide you the deepest, best part of you that wants the best for you will guide you to where you need to go next.
01:07:35:10 - 01:07:38:13
Fiona
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.
01:07:38:15 - 01:08:06:22
Filly
Oh, thank you so much. I worry not just for these things. So generous with your time and your story, but also we've just loved working with you as well. It's been so much fun. Everyone does goes through the method differently. I think you, you did it in a way that was just really slow and steady and I feel like it was quite flow full and quite organic.
01:08:06:22 - 01:08:21:17
Filly
You like it really? At the start, you were able to let go of the I have to tick through all this and it has to look like this. And I have to keep up with x, Y and Z. It was just sort of like I give myself permission to allow the healing to unfold as it needs to.
01:08:21:19 - 01:08:41:09
Fiona
Yeah, I gave myself a I gave myself 12 months. I said, I'm going to see how I'm going, how I am in 12 months. Yeah, committing to 12 months of of this strategy. And and so yeah, I did get and I did find myself sort of feeling slack at some times. And there's you know what? Let's okay, I'll just do what I do.
01:08:41:09 - 01:08:58:20
Fiona
What can I can do and keep just keep chipping away at it. And the weekly meetings really made a big difference to me to being able to do that. And, you know, go weeks sometimes without having actually made any effort in in spark or whatever. And I'll get to the weekly meeting. Oh yes. Right. Yeah. And get excited about it again.
01:08:58:21 - 01:09:11:07
Fiona
Yeah. Yeah. So but yeah, again, I took that pressure off myself, which was something that I'm so good at doing in the past. So I sort of already got something pretty early. Didn't, wasn't. Yeah.
01:09:11:09 - 01:09:12:17
Speaker 4
It still.
01:09:12:19 - 01:09:13:13
Fiona
Really good.
01:09:13:15 - 01:09:24:03
Filly
I'm honestly going to put in this show notes to, a link to your website if anyone has been listening and they're kind of like a muse type person because you're doing some awesome stuff in the world.
01:09:24:05 - 01:09:47:02
Fiona
Yeah, yeah, I love I just love music as a means of of sharing yourself. Yeah. And supporting others associated itself this. Well yeah. On built to do I think it's beautiful. Yeah. I just want to thank you guys. Two you've been so so so I mean instrumentally obviously, a huge step in my healing. So, thank you very much.
01:09:47:02 - 01:09:48:02
Fiona
I really appreciate it.
01:09:48:04 - 01:09:48:21
Filly
Thank you.
01:09:48:21 - 01:09:49:13
Chris
Thanks. Yeah.
01:09:49:14 - 01:09:51:20
Speaker 4
01:09:51:22 - 01:09:55:13
Chris
I'm just going to do a little selfie. This is.
01:09:55:15 - 01:09:57:13
Speaker 4
Okay.
01:09:57:15 - 01:09:59:08
Filly
While still recording the focus.
01:09:59:13 - 01:10:13:07
Chris
Yeah. We can tune that last little bit out. All right. Thanks so much for coming out. Fiona. Will, we'll catch up with you real soon. It was a it was a pleasure. Pleasure to work with you. And it was a pleasure to chat to you today.
01:10:13:09 - 01:10:17:21
Fiona
Yeah. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Cool. Alrighty. See you soon.
01:10:17:21 - 01:10:19:12
Chris
Catch you later.
01:10:19:14 - 01:10:20:00
Fiona
Bye.
01:10:20:02 - 01:10:24:01
Chris
See ya.
01:10:24:03 - 01:10:34:05
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
01:10:34:07 - 01:11:00:06
Chris
You can also write your own state of burnout and the root cause contributors by taking our Ending Body Burnout assessment on our website. And if you're interested in learning about that group one on one ending Body burnout programs, shoot us a DM via Instagram or Facebook. Have the best day ever.
01:11:00:08 - 01:11:00:15
Chris
For.
